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reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 03:07 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



The fire department has said it was arson, and no, since they do not have the culprit yet, they do not know the reason. However, it is possible that it was connected to the smears about Palin. My point is that smears can lead to people on both sides taking drastic action.
I would hope you would have agreed that personal smears don't help the political dialog, do they? They may unfortunately bring votes, and that is a problem. The MSM has been complicit in that respect, because they seem more interested in issues like that, than in the issues represented by candidates.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 03:13 PM by centurion1211
reply to post by Yoda411



Ego. Same reason this Blago character is in the fix he's in. Same with all the politicians in high office. At a certain level, the power washes over them and they start to believe they are invincible.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 04:23 PM by Yoda411
Originally posted by centurion1211
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post by Yoda411



Ego. Same reason this Blago character is in the fix he's in. Same with all the politicians in high office. At a certain level, the power washes over them and they start to believe they are invincible.



At what point? 2 years in the senate and the doorsteps of Washington?

It's not like Obama is hurting for money to jump on top of a stupid idea like this either.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 05:20 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
However, it is possible that it was connected to the smears about Palin.


Sure it's possible. But that's not what you said. You said, "the smear campaign waged against her, has resulted in some nut trying to burn down her church..."

That's nothing more than gossip. You have NO indication or evidence of that.


I would hope you would have agreed that personal smears don't help the political dialog, do they?


I totally agree. This thread is a personal smear (more gossip and rumors) and that's why I am speaking against it. I would think you'd agree with me on that.

Obama has his report compiled and ready to release but (as I suspected and mentioned elsewhere) the prosecutor has asked that he not release the information for a week because it may hamper progress in the case against Blagojevich. But his staff was found to have no inappropriate contact with Blagojevich.

Source


President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team said a review of staff contacts with embattled Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich and his aides turned up no evidence of “inappropriate discussions” about the appointment of Obama’s successor in the U.S. Senate.

The full results of the review won’t be released until next week at the request of federal prosecutors, Dan Pfeiffer, communications director for the transition, said in a statement.


Obama may well have known that Blago wanted to sell his Senate seat. But he is clearly supporting the effort to prosecute Blago for his crimes.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 05:31 PM by OWGNOW
Originally posted by Alxandro

Geez, when will it ever stop?

Why are some people so easily drawn to shady characters?

I remember the good old days when Presidents were involved in scadals.
Now we have a President Elect involved in a whopper, so I guess in some ironic way we are already seeing change.



Regarding Obama's association with Blagojevich, his judgment of character is once again in question.

He said himself back in 2002 that his "main focus is to elect Rod Blagojevich as Governor."

Then the SHTF:



David Axelrod: "I know he has talked to the Governor"

Obama: "Uhh, I had no contact with the Governor or, uhh, or his office. Ahh, and so we were not ah-ah, I was not aware uhh-of uhh, what was happping."

Obama: "I think it would be inappropriate for me to, you know, remark on the situation beyond the facts that I know"




Even the MSM, including MSNBC, are beginning to question the actions, er non-actions, of Obama regarding this scandal as to why he chooses to remain quiet.


Reporter:"...there were indeed conversations between Barack Obama's Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel and the Governor himself about candidates who might be filling the seat vacated by Barack Obama, and the conversations may have been taped"

Richard Wolfe on MSNBC: "You cannot sit out a story this big about your own Senate seat in your own State, and worse than that the comments today were so vague and general that you could easily misread them as not being credible when he said he wasn't aware of what was going on."

Lynn Sweet on MSNBC: "If there were conversations at all with anyone, I think this is what it means to be transparent."




If even folks on MSNBC already have questions, you can almost bet it will soon get interesting.


We have been led to believe his will be a "Transparent Government/Presidency", but maybe we "misunderestimated" him.

Not only is he Superman, but maybe he is the Invisible Man too ? ? ?



Yes, people are attracted to shady criminals: Nixon, 2 terms; George W. Bush, 2 terms. There is no accounting for the behavior of the "average voter". The "average voter", I now realize, is the reason for the Electoral College. Democracy may in fact be stupocracy.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 06:11 PM by maybereal11
Originally posted by jam321
Let's see. Supposedly he was involved in every facet of his campaign. Even helped to write many of his own scripts. Yet. he wants me to believe that he had no contact with the Governor has to who was to fill the Senate seat he just vacated. I think there is more to this and it is just a matter of whther somebody is willing to speak.


Hey Jam. The reason he had no contact with Blago is because Obama doesn't like him and the feeling was mutual and that is why the wiretaps have Blago on tape saying that Obama is offering nothing beyond "His Appreciation" and then Blago calls him a "MotherBleeper" and says "bleep him".

Obama did not invite Blago to speak at the DNC, although he DID invite the Illinois treasurer, the comptroller, the attorney general and a Chicago city clerk....Obama not liking Blago isn't just convenient now, it's been known in Chicago poltics for a long time.

This Washington Post article offers some insight.
www.washingtonpost.com...

Even though they often occupied the same political space -- two young lawyers in Chicago, two power brokers in Springfield, two ambitious men who coveted the presidency -- Obama and Blagojevich never warmed to each other, Illinois politicians said. They sometimes used each other to propel their own careers but privately acted like rivals. Blagojevich considered Obama naive and pretentious and dismissed his success as "good luck." Obama disparaged Blagojevich for what he viewed as his combativeness, his disorganization and his habit of arriving at official events half an hour late.



reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 07:44 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic





I would think you'd agree with me on that.

I do agree with that. In this country, a person is presumed innocent, until proven guilty. I wish we could all just get to the point where we discuss issues, and not personalities. Sometimes, I wonder whether I'm on the "Breaking Political News" Forum, or the online version of the National Inquirer.
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