Discrimination against white males will soon be encouraged

reply to post by DarrylGalasso


Well frankly, as long as you don't think crime rates among blacks are due to some sort of inherent biological inferiority, then we are not as at odds as it might seem.

That is the idea I object to strenuously, and beyond that (since that is apparently not what you are claiming), the matter of collective/individual/community responsibility for crime is an open (& necessary) debate.

This is the biggest load of crap I have read!! Discrimination for a better tomorrow!?! What in the hell are these people thinking? People that preach equallity want to screw white males over! BULLS*@T!!

reply to post by xmotex


I am pleased that we could both find some common ground here. As I had said, every race has a potential contribution to society as a matter of fact you could even say every group (as to include the gay community).

Do you think that all of the immigrant groups of the 30's and 40's would have been accepted into society if they had continued the path they were once on? We would still be referred to as wops, dumb Pollock, commies, and any other slang word you can think of. They made the decision to accept their faults and problems and to address them not for the good of the predominant race in the country, but for the good of their own people as to not live in a depressed environment for ever. The only race that could even have a chance to get away with this is the white race and that is solely due to the fact that they are the majority. If they were in another country where they were not the majority, they would and probably have suffered the same kind of fate.

In my mind this (our conversation) has never been about black an white (as I am neither) it has been about understanding a problem and addressing the problem for the benefit of the whole, as you and I both have said, there is much crime in the white races that are impoverished and every other race that lives in poverty; however, this does not excuse or justify their choices. The only way out of that hell is through social conformity.

Look at the white "trailer park trash" as they are called, or the Mexican impoverished communities, they all suffer the same problems, the way out is not crime, drugs, or alcohol, it is as simple as social conformity on a community scale, one person making good of themselves in a community does not change social opinion; however, if the entire community makes changes and demonstrates social conformity, the society in general takes notice. This is how the immigrants came to be accepted.

Now if we are talking about hatred, which we were not, or at least I wasn't and I don't think you were either, that is a horse of a totally different color. That is ignorance, no matter which side of the river it lives on. And as we can see in our society today, ignorance breed more ignorance.


[edit on 12/15/2008 by DarrylGalasso]

reply to post by xmotex

Yes - and only after the Plague wiped out half the population.

Until that, European society was the epitome of feudalism...


LOL, come on, your better informed than that. When did the black plague wipe out Europe, and exactly when did Western Europeans escape feudalism?

The break down of feudalism and the rise of representative governments took centuries, and was the culmination of a great many factors. The black plague may in fact have contributed, but to claim it was the sole reason Europe broke out of the dark ages is a huge leap of faith. Sure, some guy wrote a book claiming this, but how much consensus does he have from historians. I'll bet very little. Why didn't China break free from their devastaing losses during the black death, and break free from feudalism?

Until that, European society was the epitome of feudalism...

And where is your proof of this? Did the first crusade happen before or after the black plague? Exactly what year or period did feudalism take over Europe? How thuroughly did feudalism control Europe in comparisson with the Middle East, India, or China? I think if you look at what was going on in these other civilizations you will find my claims are very true.

reply to post by xmotex


One other thing I want to add to that. Not only do I not think that this is due to any racial inferiority, the man I considered as the most intelligent man I have ever met in my life was a professor I had in undergraduate school. His name was Dr. Clyde Hutchinson (just like the old tv show Starsky and Hutch) and he looked like a big fat black Santa Claus complete with the white balding head and beard; that however, did not change the fact that he was brilliant and I learned more from him than anyone other than my father in my life. Furthermore, my eldest grandson is half Black half Italian, and I cannot even express my love for him, so much so, that when my daughter married a Puerto Rican man that hated Black folks, I took him as my own son, he is now 7 and knows nothing of hatred only the love he receives in my home, and yes my daughter does see him every day, she picks him up for school and brings him home and stays here with his brothers for a couple of hours every day. I do not think her husband is hateful towards the boy; however, he was not being shown the same love that his natural sons were almost like he was an outsider and I did not wish to see him grow up in that fashion so I petitioned my daughter to allow him to stay with me, which after some major discussions, she finally consented to. I have done my best to be a father and role model to him and love him more than anything I could ever say would describe.

Here is a clear and easy to understand why many groups would like to make it acceptable to discriminate against white males.

As long as people can create this illusion that whites did not earn their success, that whites succeeded not by being innovative but by being agressive and violent prone and stealing everything they have, then non-whites are provided a clear and easy excuse to blame their problems on whites, and excuse themselves from taking responsibility for their actions, because whites did it. It is a great cop out, and a fabulous way to pit the working classes against each other. Crime is excused by poverty, because crime is the way to get ahead, that's how whitey did it.

I remember so clearly the line delivered by Jack Nicholson in "The Departed", where he blames blacks for their lack of success because they haven't taken it, Irish having taken the presidency through JFK. Wow, that was quite the slam. The perfectly delivered message by the media, crime does pay.

By crediting the success to whites as being due to aggression and theft, or purely as a result of some accident of history, the elites can fool the people into ignoring the critical contributions of developing co-operative social structures through democratic principles. The last thing the power hungry elites want is for people to realize that the success of whites has mainly came from our success at working together co-operatively, our development of opportunity for all. When we establish social structures were fairness is demanded from the sytem, society becomes far more successful, and the elites lose power over the people, and they certainly don't want that happening.

As long as the elites can convince a large portion of people that whites do not deserve their success, they can create rampant crime and poverty, by convincing people that they aren't responsible for their own actions. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Originally posted by xmotex
And why is it, exactly, that people who love to bring up black crime statistics never acknowledge the fact that blacks are also far more likely percentage-wise to be victims of crime as well?

Why don't the people that bring up white rates of crime ever mention that North Africans, Middle Easterners, Central Asians, "Hispanics" of all colours are defined as "white" too?

Originally posted by xmotex
Crime problems in black communities tend to be more serious because black communities tend to have more poverty - more poverty == more crime, be the community black, white, or whatever.

Of course! That's why crime in America was rampant during the Great Depression of the '30s!

Originally posted by xmotex
Most crimes committed by blacks are also committed against blacks - feel free to look it up.

And this lessens the gravity of high crime rates among "African-American" communities how?

Originally posted by xmotex
Poverty increases desperation, and desperation increases one's likelihood of seeing crime as a way to make some money.

Funnily enough, I was watching "Ross Kemp on Gangs" and - on the St Louis episode - one of the black drug-dealers admitted that the reason he dealt drugs was because it paid 10 times as much as a regular job:
However, according to the good ol' Lefties this will be due to white racism, lack of employment opportunities due to white racism, lack of societal values compounded by white racism...

What's your take on corporate crime - i.e. the company accountant squirreling away hundreds of thousands of dollars, or the CEO stripping the company of all it's worth:
Is that due to "poverty-induced desperation" too?
What about rapists? Child molesters? Serial killers?

There is no more segregation, minimal (if that) "discrimination", and more affirmative-action programs than you can shake a stick at:
What's the barriers that are preventing "African-Americans" from escaping poverty?
If Irish-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Italian-Americans could escape poverty, ghettoes etc despite societal prejudice - what's holding down "African-Americans", in an age of affirmative-action?

Aw, forget it:
Why doesn't the U.S. just "adjust the numbers", so that African-Americans don't commit crimes over their proportion of the population/"whites" commit crimes under their proportion of the population by - once the population threshold of convictions has been attained - stop arresting African-Americans for crimes, while bumping up whites from assault to murder if the proportion of whites in the area doesn't match the proportion of white murder offenders?

I live in San Antonio,Tx which is about 60% Hispanic and have seen reverse discrimination growing exponentially for the last few years against whites. but they are even more prejudicial against Blacks.

Unfortunately, this all contributes to the increasing power of gang rule. Banditos and Ms 13 will not go away anytime soon and they have the best firepower in the state.

Make no mistake, I am a strong believer in the 5th Amendment, if only to protect my family from these thugs.

The discrimination is not so much the problem as the danger these gangs pose to all of us who just want a peaceful world to raise our kids. If the SHTF they will be the ones in power.

Number one this post made by the OP was about australia not america and somehow turned into commercials followed by msm's degradation of the white man. then we spent a few posts on womens equality and i do mean only a few. after talking about how the white man is being emasculated we jumped to racism. not discrimination or degradation of the black man or discrimination or degradation of women.

we didnt even continue with the OPs original idea. we started talking about blacks and crime rates for the last few pages.

that in itself says something don't you think?

i mean if we were gonna be on topic we would talk about how the black men or women were portrayed by the msm over the years. i think women and black men and hispanic men and yes even indians have been portrayed wrongly by the msm. how many native americans were used when filming the westerns. how many june cleavers have we been exposed too. how many black faces have we all seen.

i think commercials are definitely trying to catch the attention of a certain demographic. I think those offended buy recent commercials are not the demographic that is being targeted. we have to face the fact that old white men are not the targeted demographic for most commercials anymore. (except for viagra!) even starting to see some black men slip into those now. they are looking to target the most likely consumer period

but i have seen a LOT of topics lately that start off interesting and always end up discussing black crime rates and unfortunately this attitude of accountability not being taken. accountability is in the eye of the beholder. i was blessed growing up to not be from a slum and to have parents that looked out for me. even then i made mistakes but instead of becoming a statistic my parents got me a lawyer on more then one occasion. that lawyer did what ever lawyers do and i never had to worry never even saw court for more than a few minutes.

crime rates show convictions. the fact that cases get dropped or people get found not guilty is buy no means a way to say they took accountability. we have people in the highest level of our government who dont take accountability. people in the coorporate world who dont take accountability. but somehow the people who dont have advantages should be pointed out as the ones who are not taking accountability for their actions?

our judicial system is corrupt. if i had gotten a public defender i would be in jail right now. i have no doubts of this. statistics are well in good but i hate when people act like wealth does not play a big roll in where they end up. it does. it most definitely does.

it is really hard to move up in society once you have been branded as a miscreant. a lot of people assume that mcdonalds regularly hires felons. they do not. we are all subject to how we are perceived. Just from reading some of these posts i have probably made perceptions that could be inaccurate of the posters.

i am all over the place here but in the end can we stop with wide sweeping generalizations of cultures. it only turns off people who could have really constructive viewpoints from posting. i dont believe the man is holding me down. i do believe that we have a corrupt judicial system that widens the economic gap in our country. i do believe we have unfair laws. i do not believe in affirmative action but i do know why it was put in place. I dont blame people for what happened to an ancestor of mine. I dont expect people to blame me for what another member of my race did to them. I expect to be looked at as an individual. we will never get past this by claiming someone else is racist every time we see something we do not agree with. chances are someone of another race will disagree with what you are calling racist and the cycle continues.

Race is the least of my worries when it comes to this country right now. our economy our healthcare and our ability to produce instead of consume trump race for me at this time. rant over

Just looking at the first line of this article clearly shows what direction they are coming from. BTW, I lived in Australia for 5 years as an black woman.

DISCRIMINATION against Text will soon be encouraged in a bid to boost the status of women, the disabled and cultural and religious minorities.

Although, I am generally against any type of discrimination, one way or the other, this article starts out with BS. DOMINATE WHITE MALES. That in itself is a biased statement to begin with, so what credibility does the entire article have. Free reign of discrimination was rampant in Australian law for how long......does it make it right that men who are white are discriminated against....no, as no matter how dominate they may think they are.

Guys, don't ever think it's ONLY white males who get discriminated against ... White females got it hard too ... Harder, probably... because for girls it gets down to personal ... Ask any white girl who went out with a colored guy : it gets sick !...

Also, snap out of that "Black-and-White" scheme ... It's not JUST Blacks who got issues with Whites ! ... It's rather most COLORED people do ... Don't fool yourself ...

But you know, people : it's your fault too ! ... I am a White female and I have ground my legs up to my ass trying to find a white guy to settle with AND make the white kids ! ... While you , people, enjoying yourself being single -- whom we, white women, supposed to reproduce with ? ... No wonder, white population keeps decreasing ... Meanwhile, colored folks keep cranking out babies like a production line .... Before long whites will be a minority, getting kicked by everyone else ...

reply to post by Satire


I would like to know what the actual goal of AA is then? I mean it is there to make sure minorities are given equal footing right? Even though they may not be the best candidate? AA is a bad idea from the get go.

I believe that the race issue will get worse now that Obama is in office. I'm not saying it will be his fault but rather a result of who he is and what expectations certian groups will have of him.

I think the white male has ruled the world for a long time because we could! Not because we are better or smarter but because we did what we needed to do to make things happen.

Originally posted by thetruthhurts78
Number one this post made by the OP was about australia not america and somehow turned into commercials followed by msm's degradation of the white man. then we spent a few posts on womens equality and i do mean only a few. after talking about how the white man is being emasculated we jumped to racism. not discrimination or degradation of the black man or discrimination or degradation of women.

we didnt even continue with the OPs original idea. we started talking about blacks and crime rates for the last few pages.

that in itself says something don't you think?







Tried to make that point 3 pages ago.I agree with everything

Yea white guys are the enemy. Minorities have every advantage in jobs, promotions(especially in government jobs), and most other things and they still can't do anything constructive with it. So they blame their failures on the white guy. If minorities think that they are entering into a new era with Obama coming into office that is just another example of how ignorant they are. That guy doesn't care about anyone except himself. You are going to find out. I just have to wait. So go ahead and start bashing us. If we make you feel better by blaming your failures on us then go ahead. You think I'm gonna start crying because someone is calling me some kind of name? Blacks are who give the N-word all the power. Of course people use it because it gets to you. No one wants to hire me? The I start my own company. It's that simple. That's how white people do it.

reply to post by poet1b


I'm pretty sure that the person who made the decision to drop the nuke was white. And just like some on ATS seem to take black crime statistics and apply them to all black people why can't I generalize white people?

Black crime rate is high. Fine I'll agree with you, but don't try overlook the negative aspects of white men.

What do you expect from such a leftist country?

It's all ok. We must cut the tallest blades of grass so that the shorter, less successful, blades of grass can get more nourishing sunlight.

reply to post by dntwastetime


I'd like to think that there are no blacks, whites, reds, yellows, etc.

because to TPTB ...its whose rich and whose poor...

and they don't want us [allofus] to know that we are all one...

and that once you see past the confusion [divide and conquer]

we are all human... discrimination of a fellow human being is wrong.

I would also like to point out that the music industry is an aspect in the agenda of TPTB

seeing as jay-z knows proper use of the apprentice handshake...

kanye too...

and the fact that there was tension between jay-z and nas....

makes this more interesting as the added idea of "beef" was used in order to generate more sales between the two artists...


*tupac shakur was murdered in 1996

Jay-Z's Label was created in 1996 under the name of ROCKAFELLA records
[how surprising]


note that tupac was a very intelligent very well schooled young individual who often expressed his ideas through his lyrics... the lyrics that opened the minds of millions of people, lyrics that actually made a difference, lyrics that young souls could relate to in the ghetto, lyrics that advocated political, economic, and racial equality , not lyrics that made money... and no sense.

and so Jay-Z went on to rule the mainstream hip-hop scene with artists like kanye,memphis bleek,jadakiss, and even nas who Jay-z supposedly hated...

but with albums titled killuminati tupac would not live to see past his mid- twenties

:[

we must all splice as one [;]]

and then this guy immortal technique comes out of nowhere...

and smashes on every artist alive ;p just my '2 cents'

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by TheInformer

 

The first time I saw the commercial with the black guy and the white guy and the voice responsive music player, I laughed, after a few more times, I was annoyed, and after a few more times I felt insulted.

What is wrong with Keney G, the man is extremely talented. He is the kind of guy your girlfriend would listen to, be she black or white or asian or indian, so his inclusion in your music listing might simply mean that you are hetrosexual. A part of me wonders if he were black, if he wouldn't be held as some new messiah of the horn. If you bring a girl home, cook her a nice meal, you are more likely to get some second base actions with a Kenny G CD than Korn, or Tupac.

In that commercial there were some definately badly drawn tones.

This is just one good example of too many were white males are bashed in a way that would be completely unacceptable for anyone else.

Kenny G isn't bashed because he's white he's bashed because he's boring, the only action you'll get from a date with a Kenny G record on is zzzzzzz...

If that commercial gets your temperature up then you will really get a kick of what a musician who's white thinks of Mr G
Pat Metheny on Kenny G

forgive me for steering a bit off topic on my last post... but

now that were all talking about discrimination...

i mean... TPTB pushed for womens liberation...
in order to split up families...
in order to create a paternal government for the children with no fathers...

this also leads to a higher consumption rate, due to the father of each of these families potentially remarrying and generating more consumers or children

why do think the female always gets the kids?

because the system is the paternal aspect of a bastard child's life

they want the TV to be your dad! ;p