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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 08:48 PM by jthomas
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Originally posted by ashamedamerican
What the "9/11 Liars" seem to be forgetting is that eventhough these spheres occur in other places, they DO NOT occur with the chemical signature of
thermate inside of them.
Big difference there, if this can't be seen then there is no hope for you.
Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum. If you can't refute the evidence as requested, then just say so.
The responses to questions number 2, 4, 5 and 11 demonstrate why NIST concluded that there were no explosives or controlled demolition involved in
the collapses of the WTC towers.
Furthermore, a very large quantity of thermite (a mixture of powdered or granular aluminum metal and powdered iron oxide that burns at extremely high
temperatures when ignited) or another incendiary compound would have had to be placed on at least the number of columns damaged by the aircraft impact
and weakened by the subsequent fires to bring down a tower. Thermite burns slowly relative to explosive materials and can require several minutes in
contact with a massive steel section to heat it to a temperature that would result in substantial weakening. Separate from the WTC towers
investigation, NIST researchers estimated that at least 0.13 pounds of thermite would be required to heat each pound of a steel section to
approximately 700 degrees Celsius (the temperature at which steel weakens substantially). Therefore, while a thermite reaction can cut through large
steel columns, many thousands of pounds of thermite would need to have been placed inconspicuously ahead of time, remotely ignited, and somehow held
in direct contact with the surface of hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building. This makes it an unlikely substance for
achieving a controlled demolition.
Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would have been
present in the construction materials making up the WTC towers, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard that was prevalent in the interior
partitions.
wtc.nist.gov...
If I were you, I'd write Steven Jones and see when he retracted his claim.
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reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 12:33 AM by ashamedamerican
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Originally posted by jthomas
Originally posted by ashamedamerican
What the "9/11 Liars" seem to be forgetting is that eventhough these spheres occur in other places, they DO NOT occur with the chemical signature of
thermate inside of them.
Big difference there, if this can't be seen then there is no hope for you.
Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum. If you can't refute the evidence as requested, then just say so.
If I were you, I'd write Steven Jones and see when he retracted his claim.
That's not a personal attack.
And for YOU of all people to be lecturing anyone about personal attacks is a joke.
As for Mr. Jones when I find proof that he has retracted any of his claims I just may do that.
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reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 12:13 PM by jthomas
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Originally posted by ashamedamerican
As for Mr. Jones when I find proof that he has retracted any of his claims I just may do that.
And if you find he hasn't, you're going to ask him, "why not?", aren't you?
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reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 05:38 AM by ashamedamerican
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Originally posted by jthomas
Originally posted by ashamedamerican
As for Mr. Jones when I find proof that he has retracted any of his claims I just may do that.
And if you find he hasn't, you're going to ask him, "why not?", aren't you?
Nah I'll leave that to you, since you're the authority on all 9/11 related material.
Wouldn't want to take away all of your fun.
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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 01:05 AM by alupang
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And what do you think the "event" will be to trigger the sheeple into accepting US Military posted in every city?
9/11/01 was a military/industrial coup.
They are now positioning themselves in our country to "insure domestic safety" as I write this.
Worried?
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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 01:25 AM by cashlink
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They are eager to give up their freedom for security. Security for what, is a good question.
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reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 09:58 AM by guinnessford
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dont want to "steal" this, and i cant remember whos sig it is. but..."any society that would giv up a little liberty to gain a little security will
deserve niether and lose both" ben franklin...
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 07:16 PM by pteridine
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Flyash is used in concrete. There would be many opportunities for release during collapse. The tons of thermite needed would not have released nearly
as much flyash as the concrete during collapse. GenRadek has provided analytical information on flyash compositions from a coal and coal-pet coke
combustion. What would be in the concrete would likely be coal based, as that is the predominant fuel for power plants in the US.
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reply posted on 21-12-2008 @ 09:05 AM by kozmo
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What, me worry??? Just kidding. I am beyond worried and have moved into preparation mode. Yes, the Military/Industrial complex runs the country and
manufactures events to ensure the people's docility and complicity with their plans.
What would it take to ensure further compliance? I'm not sure as I believe that they may have already achieved it to the degree necessary to execute
their overall plans. The thing is that there are still those of us who know better and will never accept the full militarization of America;
including some in the military.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 03:19 PM by truthquest
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This is a very interesting discovery. Its very odd how any time someone brings up that thermate was found, they say... oh sulphur is in drywall and it
is stupid to find drywall and claim it is thermate. Well firstly nobody even mentions sulpher most of the time that excuse is used, and secondly that
is just one of the 4+ parts of the thermite signature.
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reply posted on 31-12-2008 @ 07:38 PM by pteridine
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Where was thermate/thermite found?
Finding those materials, unreacted, would be a major piece of evidence for the conspiracy theory folks.
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reply posted on 1-1-2009 @ 12:31 AM by Griff
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Originally posted by pteridine
Finding those materials, unreacted, would be a major piece of evidence for the conspiracy theory folks.
Why? Iron oxide, aluminum, sulfur, and barium nitrate are all used in building construction. Didn't you know that throwing these chemicals together
makes a thermate reaction? Just like throwing flour, eggs, and sugar together makes a wedding cake naturally? [/sarcasm]
My point is that its pretty convenient to use something that can't be specifically traced back. "Plausible Deniability".
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 10:34 AM by truthquest
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Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by truthquest
Where was thermate/thermite found?
Finding those materials, unreacted, would be a major piece of evidence for the conspiracy theory folks.
I've been looking on the internet for the spectrum analysis and am not so sure now. While Steven Jones claims to have found thermite evidence, I
don't see a point where he shows a similarity between the spectrum signature of the dust compared to the range of what may be expected from combusted
thermite or even uncombusted thermite. Its very strange because his entire show could be reduced to the side-by-side comparison graph, but it appears
he does not even have one in the first place.
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 11:39 AM by GenRadek
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Its almost impossible to find a clear unobstructed slide of "professor" Jones' slide of the "thermite" signature on the web. All we have is from
the video is a blurry slide where you can just barely make out the peaks but you really can't get a clear shot of the elements found or the amounts.
Plus from what I can make of it, the "signature" of "thermite" is very similar to the flyash composition.
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reply posted on 3-1-2009 @ 04:12 PM by pteridine
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Elemental sulfur would be unusual. Barium nitrate is not common. Black iron oxide could easily be present. Aluminum was abundant from the airplane.
Finding unreacted thermite/thermate would be what is needed for proof but that is not what is claimed.
Doing an elemental analysis and finding the elements in various oxidation states is not proof of anything other than that the elements are present.
Jones may be a fine nuclear physicist but he is completely out of his depth when it comes to this.
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