Microspheres in WTC dust, another smoking gun., page 1
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reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 08:37 AM by ashamedamerican
More details can be found about them here.
Extremely high temperatures during the World Trade Center destruction
I have a feeling that once their final report on these is released, this will turn out to be one of the largest pieces of evidence against the official story.
Keep in mind that these are not from the cleanup effort, as he has pointed out.
These can also be produced by igniting thermite or thermate.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 02:22 PM by GenRadek
Here are some more realistic sources for that and it is much more common with the conditions at the WTCs.

www.flyash.info...
www.alibaba.com...

www.inderscience.com...

Considering the conditions of the WTCs during the fires and the subsequent ruins and smoldering pile for days and weeks, and the amount of materials burning and simmering in the subterranean fires would also be a big source of these "microspheres".
They are also found in garbage incinerators, when garbage burns. Sometimes I doubt the integrity of "Professor" Jones.

The EDX signatures from Jones paper are nearly identical with fly ash from garbage incinerators. All the peaks in Jones' graph match fly ash: Al, Si, K, Ca, and Fe and smaller amounts of Ti, S and Cl!


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 05:23 PM by cashlink
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The EDX signatures from Jones paper are nearly identical with fly ash from garbage incinerators. All the peaks in Jones' graph match fly ash: Al, Si, K, Ca, and Fe and smaller amounts of Ti, S and Cl!


Please show proof, and sources to your erroneous claim? On the other hand, are you just going to do what you always do and spout off and leave? If anyone’s integrity is in question, it is “not” Professor Jones.



reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 05:32 PM by cashlink
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As I figured, the debunkers have no way to disprove Steven Jones discovery. Nothing but slimy insults, and to me that says a lot, especially about the poster motives here in the 911 threads.
Oh ya onther thing, star and flags this is a good thread, and I also feel this is a smoken gun.


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reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 06:27 PM by GenRadek
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Look, cash, sometimes I seriously wonder if I should take you seriously. You demand "proof" or whatever, but when i post it for you, you either ignore it, or don't even bother.

take a look at Jones' spectra and see what the main elements he finds in it. Where is the sulfur in it that he is so darn sure is a signature of his thermate/ite?

www.flyash.info...

suwic.group.shef.ac.uk...

The above give the elements found in flyash. Notice the percents of each. Its funny how "Prof" Jones's spectra doesn't pick up the Oxygen too well, because usually these are found in an oxidized state. When compared to flyash the similarities are striking. Even the little "microspheres" are no longer mysterious as these are commonly found when stuff burns. This is even closer than "thermite/ate". Jones is missing Sulfur. The one thing his whole "theory" hinges on. Sulfur is what made it thermite. But he doesnt!

Its also quite telling how you really can't find Jones' slides or presentation anywhere, unless you dig really really deep for it. I'm not interested in his video, I want to look at his data.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 06:32 PM by GenRadek
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I have just posted two more sites dealing with flyash.
So you say that what we throw away and burn is so radically different from what someone in Russia throws away? or from India? Or from Germany? Garbage is garbage and if you bother to read and learn a little bit on the "how" and "why" of flyash, you would see how what Jones "discovered" is more related to burning garbage than thermite. Again, where was that important sulfur in his spectra? The %'s correlate with flyash better than thermite.
Its a good idea to research the elements "found" in Jones' spectra and where they are found naturally and in what types of things you'd expect to find them in an office building. Also important is in what form they were found. Jones just shows the elements.

Some things found in computers:
macredo.org...

As for your potassium permanganate, you really ought to see what they use it for:

water treatment
www.epa.gov...



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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 01:14 AM by cashlink
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So what have you proven?
What dose this have to do with Professor Jones?



reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 09:07 AM by CameronFox
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Hi Cash,

The bottom line is Jones' thermite/thermate has been debunked by the variety of spectra of iron-rich microspheres in the WTC dust. This proves the spheres came from many different sources. If some of these sources were present before 9/11, e.g. in construction debris from welding and cutting operations, Jones needs to show us how he can distinguish between such particles and particles produced in the WTC fires.

He ignores all the natural explanations for his findings, including:

* Pigments and fillers used in plastics
* Fly ash from the combustion of cellulose-based materials: wood, cardboard and paper
* Welding fume left in the towers from construction activities
* Wear particles from grinding and cutting during construction of the towers
* Iron powder cores from electronics (e.g. transformer cores)
* NYC background levels of particulate from general environmental source

In addition a Dr. Greening who is a truther, reached out to Dr. Jones:

I have actually been given (by Dr. Jones) other EDX spectra (not included in his paper) of spherical particles from his WTC dust sample.

Now here's the rub!

They are all different!

In other words SJ has found all kinds of iron-rich spherical particles.

Some have almost no Si, some have high Si. Some have no S, some have high S. Some have Ca, some have no Ca. Some show traces of common elements like K, Ti, Cr, Cu. Others show oddball elements like Ba.

However, even in SJ's new paper we have three DIFFERENT spectra. One is described as "typical" and one is amazingly described as "rather typical". Guess what? They are completely different!

So what does this tell us Sizzler? It tells us that there were MANY DIFFERENT souces of iron-rich microspheres.

Now we all know that SJ believes that thermite was used to bring down the towers. Well I guess that would mean that thermite was placed at strategic locations on the columns. The thermite would burn and generate microspheres of pretty much the same composition.

So how do you explain the Heinz 57 varieties of microspheres?


- Dr. Frank Greening source


reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 03:23 PM by cashlink
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You are now presenting a red herring!
Should I be surprised! What have “you” proven? You have not debunk anything about Jones Hypothesis, nice try though.
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