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reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 05:55 PM by Teeky
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OMG! Thank you so much. New knowledge gives me a better understanding. This is why I enjoy ATS!


reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 12:19 AM by RaDios
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Welcome! I've found ATS to be a nice cross-section of skeptics and believers. You will find lots of food and fodder - the hard part is exercising your critical thinking ability. This is an ability that is slowly being socially engineered out of us. ATS is a great place to 'work-out'. This particular post is a great example.

Oh, yeah - don't take anything some people might say to you personally. Most of the 'haters' are overweight slobs living in their parents' basements and surviving on a steady diet of soda and chips - or they could be government disinformation agents - but, then what's the difference?


reply posted on 18-12-2008 @ 09:34 PM by daptodave
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I thought he bandied around the word "Fact" a little too freely - i read all 259 pages and while there was some intiguing stuff in there, he makes massive leaps from one mystery to another.

It didnt really follow much of a logical argument and he seemed to be trying to desperately piece together every conspiracy theory into a meta-conspiracy...

Interesting read.... highly dubious though.

Dave

.... btw, the references to australia were cool!


reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 02:55 AM by plumranch
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I've read this thread and find noone who noted that most of the physical evidence by this author for prehistorical man is in a previous book Forbidden Archeology by Micheal Cremo. It is a great read also.

Cremo's conclusions are more that modern archeologists simply systematically ignore these discoveries and the press will only report them eradically as they are discovered.

Michael Cremo has been on C2C several times.

Some of these discoveries have been debunked and most cannot be proven beyond a doubt unfortunately. It is best to look closely at each discovery with an open mind rather than accept them all.

I still believe in his theories for example the Baalzebob incredibly large stones (100 Ton?). There is no way to move that even today and we do have some incredible capabilities. Don't try to tell me that ancient man did it with pebbles and levers and intricate wooden supports. I've moved several ton loads before. The explainations I've seen so far would never move anything close to that Baalzebob stone!

Or how about the closely fited stones in SA or the Great Pyramid! Try to imagine how they did that with plant juice as someone theorized!


reply posted on 19-12-2008 @ 03:04 AM by toasted
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" “To see the future you must look backwards” - the book of Isaiah "

A companion Bible a concordance and a good teacher will do more to help one see the future than you can possibly imagine.

But I'll take a quick look at the book. Thanks.


reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 09:45 AM by reiki
i've only begun to read part 1, but will research the points as i go along. Here's one view i've came across...


The Piri Reis map shows the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America, and the northern coast of Antarctica. The northern coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling however is not so much how Piri Reis managed to draw such an accurate map of the Antarctic region 300 years before it was discovered, but that the map shows the coastline under the ice. Geological evidence confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted in an ice-free state is 4000 BC. - - - - - - - On 6th July 1960 the U. S. Air Force responded to Prof. Charles H. Hapgood of Keene College, specifically to his request for an evaluation of the ancient Piri Reis Map: 6, July, 1960 Subject: Admiral Piri Reis Map TO: Prof. Charles H. Hapgood Keene College Keene, New Hampshire Dear Professor Hapgood, Your request of evaluation of certain unusual features of the Piri Reis map of 1513 by this organization has been reviewed. The claim that the lower part of the map portrays the Princess Martha Coast of Queen Maud Land, Antarctic, and the Palmer Peninsular, is reasonable. We find that this is the most logical and in all probability the correct interpretation of the map. The geographical detail shown in the lower part of the map agrees very remarkably with the results of the seismic profile made across the top of the ice-cap by the Swedish-British Antarctic Expedition of 1949. This indicates the coastline had been mapped before it was covered by the ice-cap. The ice-cap in this region is now about a mile thick. We have no idea how the data on this map can be reconciled with the supposed state of geographical knowledge in 1513. Harold Z. Ohlmeyer Lt. Colonel, USAF Commander - - - - - - - The official science has been saying all along that the ice-cap which covers the Antarctic is million years old. The Piri Reis map shows that the northern part of that continent has been mapped before the ice did cover it. That should make think it has been mapped million years ago, but that's impossible since mankind did not exist at that time.


Source:
www.world-mysteries.com...

It's worth noting, that if some things that this guy Max allude to are true, there is a heck of a lot of dis-information being served to us by governments. Reminds me of Zeitgeist i guess. I took an anti-Zeitgeist stance on here very recently, basing it on what i could research as historical stuff on Horus. If we are being fed history that is BS, we are discrediting, potentially, the truth.

We gotta remember, from a very early age we are being told what way the world has been, and is. From school, we are constantly being taught be the establishment what way the world is. It has been going on so long, so big a part of us still beleives it all.

The effect of this is although some of us are attempting to be 'free-thinkers' (as i was with Zeitgeist), we are too easy to dismiss all alternative thinkers. This is not to say all are true, but we must also look at whatever evidence we use to debunk such people.

There is a chance, through our lifetime conditioning, we are still doing what the governments want, albeit sub-consciously.

If history is to be believed, throughout time, many free-thinkers have been labelled as idiots. By the people in power, and then the general population.

I've noticed a pattern emerging though. With the Zeitgeist film, and now this guy Max. If the banana thing that MAx wrote about is so obviously wrong, it is curious he included it. Also, Part 1 in Zeitgeist is largely inaccurate, if we believe history, as in Egyptian mythology. Why are these guys including stuff that actually makes folks doubt the whole veracity of the work. I think i'll ask them.

Take care
Wayne


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 09:26 AM by StellarX
I do not have a personal problem with Max Igan ( in fact i have never heard of him) but for such a controversial topic i believe that one should do your best to stick to people who have at least managed to get themselves published. To get published is a massive hurdle and to do so on these topics says a great deal.

If your not going to be spending money on this subject matter i wouldn't go anywhere other than the local library and get some classics. You can probably buy the books or find a book list at Mr (edit from c to v: that wasn't funny at all ) von Daniken site.

www.daniken.com...

After that type of classics you can go in many, many directions Jonathan Gray being but one of them:

www.amazon.com...=cm_cr_pr_product_top

www.beforeus.com...

If someone can buy some of Jonathan's books that might reduce the volume of the perpetual 'specials' he keeps wanting to sell me; feel absolutely free.

There are many more authors on this specific subject matter but i have not read as widely as i could and i would just later kick myself for leaving some out or putting them in order. If anyone has some time to spare i think it would help to make a list of published authors we can support.

Stellar

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