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posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 09:11 AM
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Thank you Max , awesome read , i'm still on the earlier pages and i'm totally addicted to it, very well put together.

hope you get your id back on ats forum here. i just asked for password recovery just now (i forgot mine as well xd) anywho , Thanks a lot for hard work
back to readin




posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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I haven't read the book, as I really don't get the impression that it's any different than any of the other "hidden histories" books which reject actual research and findings (much of which leads to the conclusion of mistranslations, misinterpretations, or outright hoaxes), and instead like to speculate without much evidence to back them up.

I did, however, watch the video series - which only furthered this perception (lawl @ fossils fuels not being organic in origin). I would like to comment that many of the "anomalies" he presents as being completely ignored by academia are actually being intensely scrutinized. Albeit, they are not coming to the same conclusions as some of the more fringe speculators are. For instance, in the video he mentions the Antikythera mechanism and how it must have been machined with complex lathes and tools. This, actually, doesn't appear to be the case at all. Nor is it anywhere close to being more complicated than anything we currently have today. (and it was not used for navigation either) While an extremely impressive device, clockwork/geared devices weren't unheard of back then - even if this one was more sophisticated than we once realized. The device has been linked to Archimedes, or at least an improvement on his designs, and considering scope of his genius - it's not hard (at least for me) to imagine that he could have concocted such a device. After all, this is the same man who purportedly built a crane to hoist enemy ships out of the bay and set them on fire.

Scientists have not been ignoring these anomalies. In fact, one researcher has recently built a reconstruction of the device.


New Scientist - Archimedes and the 2000 year old Computer

Yes, the ancients were much more advanced than we often give them credit for - but it doesn't support the propositions supported by many in the conspiracy community, and the information certainly isn't being kept from us. It's all out there for you to peruse, should you know where and have the ambition to look.

Also... in the video he made mention of Romans using concrete. This is true, however, they did not build their temples out of concrete. Recent discoveries of maritime shipwrecks in the Mediterranean by Dr. Robert Ballard revealed a Roman ship that sunk around the first century AD carrying part of a prefabricated Roman Temple. It was not constructed out of concrete, but rather of some very large, and VERY heavy cut stone, of which everything onboard and ready for delivery and construction on-site. So not only did they have a method for simply lifting these extermely stones - they had sophisticated methods of transporting them across the ancient world.


NYTimes



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 04:32 PM
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Hi Max , i'm on Page62 about "The Colorado Pavement" , and come across this one , updated one from 2005 , is that true ? >> www.gjsentinel.com...

just wanted to ask and see what you think because i know you wrote this book quite a few years ago. Thank you so much again. cheers



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 04:35 PM
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So what "IF" Mr. Egan is right about only one thing in regard to history? Say the Sumerians. It certainly changes the course of our 'past' which would seem to influence the course of our future.

I found it fascinating that one man has put so much 'diverse' info in one spot so I don't have to search around for hours to find out all the origins of the first 'battery'.

There are lots of other strange things out there that we are still unaware of. If a perfectly preserved computer was found imbedded in 300 million year old rock tomorrow, it would somehow be discredited because it would prove someones egotistical stance wrong.

I say we have been here for ever and we will be here forever. You may exist in body, spirit or mind, but you will ALWAYS exist.

Great thread and great read!! Just finished an hour ago. My mind is still 'grappeling' with the possibilities that we may look at our past from a 'skewed' view.

Interesting...



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 05:08 PM
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Downloaded last night and have read Chapter 1 and 2, great job on the book.

It takes quite a bit of info that's out there, bringing it all together. I'm looking forward to getting back to it this eve.

Kudos for making it available for free!



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 05:09 PM
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I'm sorry guys but the video of the guy moving those blocks does not answer the mystery, those blocks are tinker toys compared to Baalbek.
You also have to ask why bother making such massive stones, why not just do what the Romans did and use much more manageable stones? and yes the Romans were known to move some pretty awesome stones but nothing like these. This would easily crush any wooden rollers. Even today this poses some interesting engineering problems.




In 1996, I posed the problem of the Baalbek stones to Baldwins Industrial Services - one of the leading crane hire companies in Britain. I asked them how they might attempt to move the 1,000-ton Stone of the South and place it at the same height as the Trilithon.

Although it is sometimes claimed that modern cranes cannot lift stones as heavy as 800-tons,[9] this is actually incorrect. Bob MacGrain, the Technical Director of Baldwins, confirmed that there were several mobile cranes that could lift and place the 1,000-ton stone on a support structure 20 feet high. Baldwins themselves operate a 1,200 ton capacity Gottwald AK912 strut jib crane,[10] whilst other companies operate cranes which can lift 2,000 tons. Unfortunately, however, these cranes do not have the capability to actually move whilst carrying such heavy loads.

How, then, might we transport the Stone of the South to the Baalbek acropolis?

Baldwins suggested two possibilities. The first would use a 1,000-ton capacity crane fitted with crawler tracks. The disadvantage of this method would be the need for massive ground preparation works - to provide a solid, level roadway for the crane to move.

The alternative to a crane would be a series of modular hydraulic trailers, combined to create a massive load carrying platform. These trailers raise and lower their loads using hydraulic cylinders built into their suspension. The initial lift at the quarry would be achieved by the use of a cut-out section beneath the stone, which the trailer would drive into. The final positioning in the wall, at a height of 20 feet, would be achieved by using an earth ramp.


www.world-mysteries.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 05:16 PM
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I think you might find that that is an ancient map of the globe with the continents of Asia Africa and Europe in the center. North and South America is split on either side of the map. At the bottom is Antarctica. ;-)



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 05:27 PM
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Ok.. I broke down.. I had to read a bit of the book, and then... I just had to comment on this.

Why.... Wwhhhhyyyyyyy is it always the Bananas!?!?!

As if Ray Comfort's "Atheist Nightmare" wasn't enough, this guy has to fall into the same (hilarious) pitfall. You'd think if you're going to try to go against the establishment, you'd stay away from Bananas. It's almost cartoonishly funny to watch them slip on the peel every time.

The fruit he mentions, that millions of people eat, are yes - INDEED - fruits... and they are only one species out of many. The ones people eat don't have seeds because they have been cultivated that way for thousands of years. The only way for them to propagate is by growing shoots taken off of the main plant, but this leads to poor genetic variability - which is why fungus and disease is such a major concern among growers. A particularly virulent outbreak could cause the the Cavendish banana to become extinct. This is why a similar species, the Gros Michel (Big Mike), was phased out in the 1950's when it was found that they were particularly susceptible to Panama disease.

Bananas are not found all over the world, at least, not where humans do not specifically cultivate them. Wild bananas (the non-human cultivated) DO contain very large and tough seeds. They do not provide all of the necessary nutrients for a healthy diet - that is just ludicrous.

I just don't get why this guy would add such a section to his book, with obviously no research, when it only ever serves to completely discredit him. I mean... it's just comical. How can you take his word for ANYTHING he says in that .pdf file when you know THIS is the kind of sloppy material he's slapping together.

Banana
Cavendish Banana
Big Mike Banana
Wild-Type Banana
Fruit

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posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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If you guys read this book and liked it I suggest you donate to Max, he has earned it
and I want part 2 ASAP!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 15-12-2008 by manbearpig]



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 08:34 PM
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Great thread. I watched the video series, and I'm going to read the book.


What about the crystal skulls? Haven't those been proven to be fakes made fairly recently? I did some reading and apparently some tooling marks were found on the teeth of the british museum one, and the lady that owns that mitchell hedges one wouldn't submit it anymore testing


I was also thinking about those huge stone blocks and that is pretty amazing to imagine. In the video it said there is no road from the quarry to the temple site. I'm wondering if it's possible the road eroded away long ago and just isn't around anymore.

One that really fasicnated me were those tiny metal spirals that were found in the Ural mountains. I did find some good stuff on them, but if anyone knows more about them I'd love to know more, links etc.

pteridine, do you happen to have a link or source for the sparkplug one that it was infact a 1930's champion in mudrock?



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posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by manbearpig
If you guys read this book and liked it I suggest you donate to Max, he has earned it
and I want part 2 ASAP!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 15-12-2008 by manbearpig]


Manbearpig links the article, says it's credible because he doesn't ask for payment, then suggest we donate to him. If I were an admin of ATS I would be doing an IP address check to make sure you weren't the author of the ebook



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 09:20 PM
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wow this was a very interesting book i already read most of it in the part where they talk about the spanish conquistadores seeing the mayan prophet return does any one have any other sources for this??



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 10:54 PM
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I've just finished the first section of this book and it seems mostly a re-hash of Fortean mysteries (published as the Fortean Times) which were added to and expounded upon by Erich VonDaniken's (sp?) 'Chariots of the Gods' and several others. Much of this is hoax and say, for example, the story of the Ham and Dropa tribes; none of it is verifiable. Names quoted have no basis in literature. Some of the institutes mentioned don't exist etc.

Do the research, don't just blindly believe.

I've read Charles Forte and was around when VonDaniken wrote his books. They are good reading and get you thinking. Thinking is good. Don't be sheep!

Mutant

(sorry if this reply is redundant.. i tried to read the whole thread but ran out of time)



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 10:55 PM
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Hello, this is max again,

There will never be a sell button on the crowhouse. Everything on the site is, and will always remain, completely free.

Please understand Im not some person trying to gain notoriety (I dont even use my real name but use a 'pen name' instead) or someone trying to sell a product, Im simply a person who seeks to empower others who may also be interested in such matters, by sharing with them in one concise volume, what understandings I have gained myself along the way. I do not claim to be in possession of any type of revelations or concrete answers, I simply offer my opinion and attempt to take the reader on the journey I took to accumulate the information contained within the book and Im happy to hear the thoughts and opinions of any other person who wishes to add their own research and share ideas with me.

Unfortunately I lost the second book due to a hard drive failure and am now forced to start again from scratch though it will certainly take me a while to complete. When it is completed however, it will also be made available for free.

I have no agenda, and I ask for nothing in return. I believe information and knowledge should be free and freely shared and seek only to contribute ideas in the hope that some may be relevant in piecing the overall puzzle together



posted on Dec, 15 2008 @ 11:17 PM
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yea i looked up dropa online and nothing showed up i was curious and wanted to see pictures. Wat institutes dont exist



posted on Dec, 16 2008 @ 05:56 AM
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To your bananas post!

I have read about half of this book and I have to say that the content is very interesting and is put together well.

I also like the way (as previously stated) that the author doesn't intstruct you to believe his theories blindly but suggests you look at the evidence for yourself.

That said, for some of the gems that are contained within, there is also some nonsense. The bananas section being the crowning glory! The irony is that it's only a half page paragrpah that could have easily been ommited in order to avoid you having to question the rest of his content.



posted on Dec, 16 2008 @ 06:38 AM
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re 'has to mention the Greeks' - not really, that suggests that the person saying that hasn't actually studied too much. As the Greeks themselves repeatedly made reference to the fact that they owed much of their knowledge to 'those who came before them.' (whoever this might have been)



posted on Dec, 16 2008 @ 07:57 AM
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I also like the way (as previously stated) that the author doesn't intstruct you to believe his theories blindly but suggests you look at the evidence for yourself.


I'm sorry, but to me, that is completely fraudulent. Does this mean I can write a book filled to the brim with all sorts of lies and perpetuated misconceptions - just so long as I say "Do the research yourself"? Of course not. In these matters, it's not up to the reader to make the case for the author. It's up to the author to make their case to the reader. He should present the evidence himself, of the claim he's trying to support - and then provide external references to show the work he has done/researched which lead him to his conclusion.

You NEVER hear a scientist, archeologist, paleontologist, physicist, biologist, or even a professional journalist or new anchor make that claim. Ever wonder why?

Every time I hear the words "Don't take my word for it, do your own research and come to your own conclusions", I start reaching for my wallet - because I know a scam or a hoax is being perpetrated. It's only a "CYOA" (Cover Your own ---) statement allowing the author to make whatever baseless and speculative claims they want without regard to evidence or accuracy. By trying to turn facts and evidence into matters of opinion or interpretation, they are essentially shielding themselves from the possibility of ever being held accountable for their misdirection and outright lies.

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posted on Dec, 16 2008 @ 08:16 AM
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I dont disagree with what you are saying. However, the point that I was trying to make is that he is not claiming that all this evidence is 100% factually accurate and he is certainly not suggessting you take all his theorum as read without looking into the data yourself. He is putting forward an idea for basis of discussion and research.

I appreciate your stance and I can see the validity in your argument, however, as a piece of lterature I found it interesting. That doesn't mean that I am going to believe all or indeed any of it's contents without rational analysis.

Are there many other major theories or areas of contents within the book that you know to be false or misleading?



posted on Dec, 16 2008 @ 08:59 AM
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This pdf file is full of debunked stuff. You stick it all together without explanation and sure it looks mystical, you take each piece of "evidence" by itself and look at it's history, sources and apply logic, and it's just collective hockum.

Things like the Nazca lines ARE amazing, but there's really no evidence to suggest anything more than what they are; amazing, large drawings on the ground. Sure they're fantastical, but it's easy to make such large images with a grid system - we don't know that's how they did it, but it's a lot more logical to assume something like that than they are ancient runways for alien spacecraft!





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