Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Israel has no obligation to feed its enemy. Hamas should ditch the rockets and start farming- they should take care of themselves.

Well the Palestinians have tried farming but Israel keeps bulldozing their harvest so that the Israeli settlers can extend their farms living near by.

So the only solution for Israel is either they return the Palestinian lands back or keep eating bombs from Hamas.

I expect that the video shows only a partial truth. I agree people do suffer, but something is too cheesy in the video . You just have to watch another video , made by the other side - they would show "terrorists" bombing cilvil jewish cities , kids being torn apart by bombs etc. As long as both sides believe they are right this war will never end.
And about palestine - someone said they should start farming - how in the world can you do that if you have such a small portion of land with 1.5 million people? I believe that Egypt should try to annex Gaza . and this could end up the suffering. People of Gaza should be asked to vote if they wish to become Egyptian citisens.. this would allow a flow of humanitarian help , electrical services etc to come into Gaza..this would also give more security to the borders.. maybe this could be a begining for an Arabic Union after the EU model ? this would create more power balance in the middle east..

[edit on 14-12-2008 by sty]

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Perhaps the Palestinians ought to start focusing on their own quality of life instead of fighting an unwinnable war against Israel.

If they can muster the manpower to mount repeated terrorist attacks against Israel; if they can source and fire rockets... then why can't they feed their own people?

Israel has no obligation to feed its enemy. Hamas should ditch the rockets and start farming- they should take care of themselves.

These people are having their lands, and communities invaded by Israel. They are being murdered and deprived basic human rights. If it was happening here all hell would break loose. They're an invaded people. I really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Do you have a clue what this is about. I'd be fighting for my children tooth and nail let me tell you. I know you would be too!

[edit on 14-12-2008 by mystiq]

Originally posted by JanusFIN
There is no justification to this...

Those in the Gaza have repeatedly attacked Israel. Those that haven't attacked, have either approved or turned a blind eye to the attacks.

Israel is FULLY within it's rights not to support those who wish it destroyed.

FULLY. And I approve.

Those in the Gaza have made their own bed.
Now they can sleep in it.

They can use Egypt for a food source.
Unless they have been idiots and attaacked them as well.
The GAZA gets the Darwin Award. They are idiots.

WHOA....
Hold on folks, did you read the article?
Do you know why they closed the boarders?

Well here is why:
Israel says it will open the borders again when Hamas stops launching rockets at southern Israel. Hamas says it will crack down on the rocket launchers when Israel opens the borders.

So here is the situation...
1) Hamas/Palestine bomb Israeli buses
2) Hamas/Palestine bomb Israeli cafe's
3) Hamas/Palestine bomb Israeli markets
4) Hamas/Palestine bomb Israeli schools
5) Hamas/Palestine bomb Israeli roads
6) Hamas/Palestine bomb their own people if they get in the way.

THAT is why the border is closed.

Maybe if Hamas spent the money they get on ==> food for their own people instead of rockets... then the borders wouldn't be closed.
Right? RIGHT?!!!!

How can these victims be Israel's fault when the whole reason these victims cannot get food is they live in a land where the Palestine leadership chooses to spend money on things that go BOOM rather than feed their own people.

The whole reason these people need to cross the border is because Israel has always made good, smart decisions and has a healthy economy because of it. In short, The leadership of Israel behaves rationally. The reason the Palestine Leadership has virtually no economy is because they are hell bent on spending every last dime they have on blowing people up. If Palestine had treated Israel as fellow human beings from day 1, Israel would have treated them as a member of their own family and would have done anything to help them in any time of need. Instead, Palestine and everyone else in the entire region became the neighbors from hell.

Here's what it really comes down to... After thousands of years, Jews were finally given a patch of land they could finally call home, and NOBODY has welcomed them EVER.

Israel is surrounded instead, by people of a broken culture, who have no desire to improve their lot in life. Their whole self identity is based upon an "enemy" mentality. That is why the ONLY way Israel will have peace in THEIR own land is to seal the borders.

If the others refuse to get along with Israel, then let them build their OWN economies. Israel is finally fed up, and I don't blame them at all.


[edit on 14-12-2008 by ATS4dummies]

I think Israel has the rite to defend its land, but I also think they could help out their neighbors with some food and needed things for the people. Love your enemy.

When US when into war with Afganistan, I saw videos where food was taken to the civilians .

From what information I could find online, Egypt controls its side of the border with Gaza and could reopen it if they wish. I imagine there are reasons of safety for Egypt that would dissuade it from doing so, as Israel is not likely to view Egypt kindly should it choose to do so.

One or two of you mentioned that the Gazans looted Egypt when the border wall was torn down earlier this year. I was unable to find any mention of this. What was said was that due to so much Gazan money flooding the Egyptian markets, Egypt suffered severe inflation and supply shortages in affected areas (the affected region continued as far as Arish). Gazans purchased and brought into Gaza enough food to last them three months, and enough fuel for two days. Egyptian merchants entered into Gaza during this time to sell their wares.

Reading the events of the wall breach, it appears that Egypt, after allowing the crossings for a few days, began to attempt to slow the influx and pursuade Gazans to return. The idea had been to allow them to gather goods and return to Gaza, but Egypt failed to consider the fact that Gazans would not eagerly return to the confines of Gaza.

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You see, when you're mad at another country you don't take it on the civilians. YOU SIMPLY DO NOT ATTACK CIVILIANS.

Attacking civilians will create nationalism on the victim's side and chaos will ensue. Luftwaffe in England in WWI targeted civilians when it should have targeted strategic locations. As a result, Britain fended off the German attack and received a decent morale boost.


I don't care if Hamas uses artillery on Israel, Israel is committing atrocities that are ten times worse.

The average person Palestine lives on 3 LITERS OF WATER PER DAY.
The average Floridian uses 1500 LITERS OF WATER PER DAY.

The only reason why Westerners are still on Israel's side is because of the stupid media, intelligent agencies, and idiots.

Yes indeed, blame those evil Israelis.

Of course, you don't blame the Arab fanatics that keep shooting rockets at Israeli towns. You don't blame the extremist Palestinians that tunnel under the border and attack Israeli settlements, and abduct and murder Israeli's.

You don't blame Hamas, which has murdered thousands of Palestinian's that support Fatah, and has blocked their families from obtaining food and other necessities.

You do not blame Hamas, which encourages the attacks against Israel.

No of course you don't, because it is all the evil Israeli's fault.

More than enough food is allowed into aza. It is Hamas that controlls who gets it, and who does not. Hamas and Israel had an agreement that allowed the flow of all materials (except for munitions) into Gaza, so long as Hamas stopped the attacks against Israeli civilians.

Hamas broke the agreement, not Israel.

You want to hate someone, choose the right people to hate. It is Hamas that has never kept a single agreement that they have signed.

Isn't it strange that the West Bank has no shortage of food, or of anything else.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Perhaps the Palestinians ought to start focusing on their own quality of life instead of fighting an unwinnable war against Israel.

If they can muster the manpower to mount repeated terrorist attacks against Israel; if they can source and fire rockets... then why can't they feed their own people?

Israel has no obligation to feed its enemy. Hamas should ditch the rockets and start farming- they should take care of themselves.

Phew!! lol. I was starting to panic there I thought maybe I was the only one that felt like this. Keep in mind that this viewpoint doesn't justify isreal, people. It just shows me that the ptb in palestine are more concerned about killing isreal than feeding it's own people. It's insanity. Didn't the palestinian people elect hamas? I can't imagine a concept more at odds with self preservation than enabling people who voted for the government that calls for your destruction. Is it a justification for isreal? NO. But is it a reason? yes (isreal is however must more justified than the us was with iraq, so anyone who judges isreal and is from the states is a hypocrite, or didn't do enough-sad but true). Oh and also why can't the un just enter from somewhere else??? I mean c'mon. No we HAVE go in through isreal because...ummm.......they like to feed the mouth that bites them.