Gaza families eat grass as Israel locks border, page 2


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reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 07:33 AM by JanusFIN
reply to post by Raud





"Kyllä Perkele, nyt alkaa riittämään, Saatana!"


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 08:32 AM by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by JanusFIN



Well i certainly understand your anger. Situation in Gaza is awful. Israel has it closed and sealed.
But you know what - i eat my meals without any second thaught. And the reason is THERE ARE ROCKETS BEING FIRED DAILY ON ISRAEL. There is money for rockets, there is support for rockets, there is manpower for rockets - and yet all the fields that Israeli settlers grew food on (for Israel and export, in large ammounts) are not worked on. And it is now Gaza. It is not under Israeli occupation. So it is nice to look defender of weak and feader of hungry. But it is the strategical choice of Palestinian leaders in Gaza to keep its own , not Israeli, population hungry and broken. So what exactly Israel should do to stop rockets, tell me? Invade Gaza and kill thousands?? Or crawl in the corner and die? And don't tell me - peace process. Hamas, democratically chosen Palestinian government, does not recognise Israel's right to exist. Their spokesman openly state that Palestinians should prefer death and sucrifices over normal life.
As for ordinary people (majority) - as this family - that probably (or maybe not, it is not the point) hates Hamas just as Israel, policy of their leaders is not their choice. But its consequences are for them to pay. I would advise to try and leave Gaza in anyway possible - to Egypt, to Palestinian authority territory. But i will not protest against policy of my government - just as them are not protesting against theirs, since there is no good choice. I refuse to agree to "normal" situation when entire Israeli south is bombarded daily.


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 08:40 AM by ZeroKnowledge
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Well the Palestinians have tried farming but Israel keeps bulldozing their harvest so that the Israeli settlers can extend their farms living near by.

Would you be so kind and show me the source for that? And as for very uneducated farmers remark - border between Israel and Gaza did not change, all the Jews were evicted from Gaza. What Israeli settlers are you talking about?
I mean - there are tons of wrong info on this thread - like Israel controls all the borders of Gaza, like Palestine being constantly invaded when land controlled by Palestinians increases every year. Like Israel shelling Gaza for every mortar/rocket.
Come on guys - at least pretend to be fair, i am not talking about objectives. Zionists are real Nazis and Hitler just a cute boss. Come on!!!


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 08:48 AM by ufoorbhunter
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Israel is attacked constantly by rockets fired by Gazans. Hamas should stop this act of terror. It does nothing. Israel is responding in a very limited fashion regarding this terror from Gaza.


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 09:10 AM by 44soulslayer
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Any people with half a brain realise that you cannot fight a war without having the basics in place.

Even if Palestinians wanted to wage war, should they not spend their money on food first before rockets?

They haven't and thus are consigned to their fate via their own stupidity.

There are intelligent ways to fight occupation (Gandhi) and then there are moronic ones (Palestinians).


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 09:11 AM by Anonymous ATS




reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 09:12 AM by ZeroKnowledge
By the way - fresh news:
compare this

The Palestinian group Hamas will not renew a truce with Israel in the Gaza Strip that expires later this month

news.yahoo.com...
and this:



Israel is willing to renew a six-months old ceasefire deal with Hamas in and around the Gaza Strip if militants halt all attacks against the Jewish state

news.yahoo.com...
Or those evil Nazis. Want to renew truce if not fired upon. But good guys will not go for it and keep starve their voters - it is for good cause.


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 09:16 AM by ATS4dummies
WHOA....
Hold on folks, did you read the article?
Do you know why they closed the boarders?

Well here is why:
Israel says it will open the borders again when Hamas stops launching rockets at southern Israel. Hamas says it will crack down on the rocket launchers when Israel opens the borders.

So here is the situation...
1) Hamas/Palestine bomb Israeli buses
2) Hamas/Palestine bomb Israeli cafe's
3) Hamas/Palestine bomb Israeli markets
4) Hamas/Palestine bomb Israeli schools
5) Hamas/Palestine bomb Israeli roads
6) Hamas/Palestine bomb their own people if they get in the way.

THAT is why the border is closed.

Maybe if Hamas spent the money they get on ==> food for their own people instead of rockets... then the borders wouldn't be closed.
Right? RIGHT?!!!!

How can these victims be Israel's fault when the whole reason these victims cannot get food is they live in a land where the Palestine leadership chooses to spend money on things that go BOOM rather than feed their own people.

The whole reason these people need to cross the border is because Israel has always made good, smart decisions and has a healthy economy because of it. In short, The leadership of Israel behaves rationally. The reason the Palestine Leadership has virtually no economy is because they are hell bent on spending every last dime they have on blowing people up. If Palestine had treated Israel as fellow human beings from day 1, Israel would have treated them as a member of their own family and would have done anything to help them in any time of need. Instead, Palestine and everyone else in the entire region became the neighbors from hell.

Here's what it really comes down to... After thousands of years, Jews were finally given a patch of land they could finally call home, and NOBODY has welcomed them EVER.

Israel is surrounded instead, by people of a broken culture, who have no desire to improve their lot in life. Their whole self identity is based upon an "enemy" mentality. That is why the ONLY way Israel will have peace in THEIR own land is to seal the borders.

If the others refuse to get along with Israel, then let them build their OWN economies. Israel is finally fed up, and I don't blame them at all.


[edit on 14-12-2008 by ATS4dummies]


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 09:44 AM by ATS4dummies
reply to post by die_another_day



Then why are Palestine bombing Israeli schools, bus stops, pizza parlors....

C'Mon man! you MUST be JOKING!
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