Why Didn't WTC #5 & #6 Collapse?, page 6
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reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 11:44 PM by pteridine
reply to post by ashamedamerican


You have too much faith in demonstration videos. Cut a horizontally supported vertical column with a fairly thin kerf at ground level and tell me what happens.
Back to the topic. #5 didn't collapse because not a lot of debris struck it. #6 must have taken a good hit because the interior collapsed, leaving only the outer walls.
So the answer is, parts of the WTC didn't land too hard on top of them and mainly they were gutted by fire.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 11:47 PM by pteridine
reply to post by tezzajw


Ok, I'll go with the NIST report and agree with you. The fires caused the collapse of #7. Thanks for settling that one.
Now we have to explain why #6 only partly collapsed [lesser fire] and why #5 didn't [lesser fire yet].

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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 12:09 AM by ashamedamerican
reply to post by tezzajw


I wouldn't waste my time if I were you tezzajw, he's obviously just trying to frustrate people.
He's making insulting comments, going over the same points after they have been layed to rest, making statements that are contradicted by evidence already provided, making baseless assumptions that are easily proven false by the basic laws of physics, etc.

Just ignore and enjoy your time on ATS.


reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 05:20 AM by ashamedamerican
reply to post by Pilgrum


Low levels would be expected.
The levels found are what peaks my interest.

I also don't recall saying that the only explanation for this was potassium permanganate, but it is something that should raise an eyebrow or two given the circumstances.

The chemical signature of thermate is found in multiple places, then the chemical traces of what could be potassium permanganate, a known oxidizer show up?

It could be a very important piece of the puzzle, and I don't think it should be overlooked, given the situation, and the other "coincedences."



reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 09:35 AM by pteridine
reply to post by ashamedamerican


How do you know what levels would "be expected." This is a unique event and established its own precedents. The finding of Potassium and Manganese in a complex mixture is not evidence of permanganate or manganate ion.
In all of these threads, the conspirator theorists assume that all events of the day have a precedence in the past and act on gut feelings that "something is wrong." Yes the existing images of #5 and #6 show fire. Does anyone have a time-temperature log for all spaces of all the buildings in question to determine what was happening when no images were taken? No one does. No one knows the real extent of fire damage. Now we are arguing about whose fire was more infernal based on what? Video images.
We have people claiming super-thermite who have never used thermite and have no real evidence...but they think they do. They read somewhere about nano-particulate, oxygen boosted thermites so that goes on the list, too. They watch a video of thermite cutting through a bit of steel, but this is a chemical reaction and no matter how super, there is only a finite amount of energy that will come out. Very large quantities would be needed to drop a 40 story office building. Shearing a horizontally supported vertical without displacing it won't do what you think it will. "Blowing it up" when discussing a large structure is not correct. What is done is really "blowing it sideways" a bit and letting gravity do the work.
Then, potassium and manganese levels are mentioned for no apparent reason other than potassium permanganate is an oxidizer. So are many other potassium salts. Look at the chloride levels and call out chlorate or perchlorate; those are far more likely than permanganate to be in a device.
It seems that the more videos that are watched, the more gut feelings there are, and the more grasping at straws there is. These threads were a lot more interesting when optical anomalies in the impact videos were thought to be particle beams. If we analyze for Aluminum it will probably show to be really high due to the big supply of foil hats.
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