Why is evolution the counter to Jesus?, page 6
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reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 06:31 AM by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by funky monk
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But I didnt ask you to prove anything. lol.


I know you didn't. Are you following along? I was referring to the people I was talking about in the conversation you and I were having about this thread. What happened here overnight?


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 06:43 AM by Nola213
Originally posted by theindependentjournal
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post by angel of lightangelo



Well now someone is LYING aren't we?

You asked for SCIENTIFIC PROOF GOD EXISTS...

You were NOT NICE nor SEEKING and you still have an AGENDA!

I told you then I will tell you now, There is NO SCIENTIFIC WAY TO PROVE GOD, NOR EVOLUTION, NOR ALIENS...

Sorry f this answer bothers you, but nonetheless it is true...

Now for this thread question... The reason evolution and Jesus can't coexist as it would do away with the Bible, for you see the Bible says that MAN BROUGHT DEATH INTO THE WORLD WITH SIN...

Evolution teaches DEATH BROUGHT MAN INTO THE WORLD...

See the conflict? Or shall I draw a picture?


I thought the OP was quite cordial in his other thread, and onceagain here. But sheesh , I think he has the right to get a little miffed, when people continue straying Off-topic, and tryinjg to disprove evolution, thinking that if they can do that, then they have proved the existance of God. Don't ask me why they, or you seem to do that. *shrug*

I believe in the other thread you said there is more proff (scientific I'd assume?) , of the existance of God (the King James version I also assume), than evolution. Now your saying there is no proof -equal-, of either???

Hey, no shame in backpeddling now. (btw, you may wanna check you shift key, it seems to be sticking.)

Also, what do aliens have to do with this?

I also don't understand why Christians or Catholics (I've gone to both churches, don't really remember the minor differences, Catholicism just seemed to me to be more into "Saints", than Christianity), well that wes my 6-11 year old take on it, when I was awake.

Annnnyway, I don't understand why they cannot accept evolution and still believe God created man.It takes a bit of time to get from A-Z, but, it can fit, I think.

I mean really Genesis, is an extremely condensed version of creation, correct?. If I were a Christian, I would imagine when they say in Genesis, that everything was createdin 6 days(7th day rest ect),we aren't talking about "earth" cycles here. Meaning 24 hour days.

It all seems to come down to faith. Either you believe in the book or you don't. I also imagine this has to do withhow one was raised, and personal life experiences.

But the OP is looking for actual, scientific proof. I don't think there is any. Really if there was, why would one need faith? Then the whole premise of the bible falls on it's ear. Quite the conundrum


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reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 06:46 AM by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by CharlesMartel

Well, either:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


this is gonna be good....

or God is not our Creator and our rights come from God or they exist at the whim of politicians.


What? I only get those two choices? Wow, well, I cannot wait to see how this goes over but.....all men are not created equal. That is a nice philosophical idea to keep people fair in their treatment of others but it is a platitude, not a literal reality. I have a friend that needs me to get things from high shelves because she is much shorter. My black friend can stay out in the sun much longer than my irish/german/english butt can. My mother lost her kidney due to a genetic defect and without medical advancements would have been dead 20 years ago. Were you born that way too?

Evolution diminishes our Rights, because it means they do not come from God. What God gives, only God can take away. What the politicians give, they can take away, and will when they feel they need to.


Sorry but evolution does not diminish our rights any more than religion does. You speak of the Christian god, are you one of his special chosen people? Which rights did he give us all that we all need, or want, or like? How do you know that I would not be more inclined to enjoy the rights that may be granted by Elliot Spitzer instead of your god? Why do you get to decide who grants me my rights if we are all equal? Should I not then have the same right to decide for myself where my rights come down from?

I will say it again just to be clear. All men are not created equal. Blind people cannot describe a painting to someone nearly as well as a sighted person could. Deaf people do not get to enjoy the new Nevermore live album. I can. Does that make me better? Nooooooooooooooooooo. Different? Yessssssssssss.

[edit on 15-12-2008 by angel of lightangelo]



reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 06:49 AM by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by toasted
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post by angel of lightangelo



" Unfortunately, this thread is for those couple that contend the opposite to be true. "

Well,

alrighty then.

I hope it goes as you hoped for. :-)


LOL, so far...swimmingly!


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 07:01 AM by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by Yoda411
Well, evolution disproves creationism. It does not disprove the existence of Jesus Christ or a God. Evolution disproves the theory of creationism (God created us as we are today). If this is off topic I think everyone else in this thread is having trouble following your ill logic.


I guess the problem is that I explained it in the OP and again to you. I should have known by then that when I see that avatar of the fine intelligent looking young man with the nice teeth and hair, that some crazy stupid is coming.

Evolution disproves creationism, ok. And?
What was my point? Oh, when I asked people about proof of God. God. Hear me? God. I said God. The word I am using here is capital G GOD. Got it yet?

OK so here I am looking for some scientific way to prove God and I keep getting these "Christians" coming in to tell me that I need to prove evolution.

What???? Why do I need to prove evolution. We were not talking about the bible, creationism, Christian world history, just God. That is it. Evolution was not only off topic but asking me to prove it instead of offering something up of their god? Well that seemed a little off.

I asked about God and I got -"you prove evolution!!!!"

Um, no. Not how it works. I was not talking about evolution, just God.

Are you getting this yet? I am sick of explaining myself more than once to you. Rap music must do something to reading skills.

I said that if they wanted to debate how me proving evolution is the only response they have to my question about God, then they needed a thread where that would not be off topic in which to discuss.

Here it is. They are welcome to come here and explain to me why I need to prove evolution when I want them to prove God or Jesus. You can have both God and Jesus without creationism. You and the people I am talking about put them together so inextricably.

Again, if you are not one of them, I was not addressing you in the OP. If just wandered in and wanted to spout off ignorant rants because you misunderstood the point, please keep your avatar the same so I can just skim past that crap from now on.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 09:05 AM by Unsane
reply to post by Waldy



Hi Waldy,

'Who says God uses Earth Days?', you stated.

Well the Bible uses the word 'day' so why should it mean Galactic rotation?

Why can't day actually mean 'day'? Oh yeah, because it reduces the legitimacy of the whole damn story.

Why shouldn't he (the writer) be explicit in the wording so as to reduce confusion and misinterpretation?


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 09:21 AM by Waldy
reply to post by Unsane



I dont want to derail this thread too much but I have to answer you on this

First of all I want to clarify I dont believe in the book of Genesis. Im a selective Christian.
All I wanted to do is point out that the earth day only applies to the earth and if God created the universe then why would he use earth days at all since there are likely billions of other civilizations out there he created also? We are very comfortable using our day measuring system because we are "above" the earth and understand everything from our perspective on earth.

God is very likely "above" the universe and from his perspective a day on earth is hardly measurable, his days are likely billions of earth years.

I may have lost myself somewhat there but I think its arrogant to assume god created the universe and everything in it using our time measuring system. Also its arrogant to assume god created us in his image.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 09:30 AM by Unsane
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By being 'Selectively Christian', does that mean you select the bits you agree with and substitute words in the Bible for words which you assume must be more likely?

I tend to reject the whole thing on the basis that if it is meant to be the be-all-and-end-all then the scriptures should at least be clear and precise and allow for no misinterpretations.

Sorry, this is the last post in which I will divert from the main topic.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 09:39 AM by Waldy
reply to post by Unsane



Yeah basically, maybe Im not Christian at all even though I believe in Jesus Christ. My believes are constantly evolving and I never stop asking questions, it is the search for the meaning of life that drives me I guess.

I dont understand how people can just base their whole believe system on one book that has been re-written and shaped hundreds of times.

Evolution and Jesus co-exist fine within my believes.



reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 10:56 AM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Unsane



Thank you for being clear and concise.

Its appreciated....mabey Ill see ya in that other thread if I ever get round to it.


Peace,
LV
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