Why is evolution the counter to Jesus?, page 5
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reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 03:20 PM by angel of lightangelo
reply to post by funky monk


Thanks for your answer but this thread is not about proof of god, or even about people making sense. It was about the point being made by Christians in another thread. I asked for proof of their christian god and they asked me to prove evolution.

I do not see what evolution has to do with proving or disproving god other than to distract from the inability to answer the question that I had posed.

I wanted to talk about god, scientifically. I did not mention creation theory or the origin of life, just the concept of god. Why did Christian people feel the need to counter my question by asking me to prove evolution to them?

Instead of clutter that thread arguing with them about it, I started this one so they could come here and explain how disproving evolution will prove their god to me but I guess they are either cowards or lack the conviction of their words.


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 03:32 PM by funky monk
reply to post by angel of lightangelo


mmmmm, the way I see it is that there is a lack of defination in terms of creation and evolution. When people say evolution do they mean that theory where everything evolved from bacteria or whatever. Or do they mean the theory where everything is always adapting and evolving based on its surroundings? - the last one I have almost no problems with. But the first I cant come to grips with because it doesnt really explain how everything came into existance. But with the second you can fit that idea into the bible nicely.
So to try and answer a little better. Im assuming that some of the christians on the board automaticaly keep going on about evolution because either:
they dont understand it
they didnt read your question right
they are just looking for a good argument or
its one of the topics brought up by most atheists so that has just become the default responce


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 04:15 PM by angel of lightangelo
reply to post by funky monk


Yep, but dont you think either way, asking me to prove it as a response to asking about god is kinda silly?


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 08:55 PM by toasted
reply to post by angel of lightangelo


" Unfortunately, this thread is for those couple that contend the opposite to be true. "

Well,

alrighty then.

I hope it goes as you hoped for. :-)


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 09:53 PM by motherof2two
reply to post by angel of lightangelo


I don't know what Christians attack people for asking questions. I am a firm believer in God. I have no doubts in my mind whatsoever that God exsist. I don't think that Christian people should attack others. Jesus didn't attack people, he simply gave them answers to their questions. Besides, how can we know if we don't ask. I like Romans 1:20.. " For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse. Also, John 20:29 ...blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
It's not that we can only believe because we can see, Faith is believing without seeing. Just knowing that God is real and to give Him praise, for His name is holy and worthy to be praised. I don't wind and I don't see air, yet I know they exsist because I can feel them, Just as I feel God with me. Believing in a God that holds the power of death, hell, and the gave in his hands seems like the right thing to believe to me. God is Almighty and He has 100% control of all that he created because he created everything and everything is under him. I don't know how to say anyone can prove there is a God. We cannot enter into heaven and bring him down and show him to people. But he is there and he is real. God is alive and he sees all, he knows all.I know this because I believe and God has revealed himself to me through grace, through the holy spirit that can be felt. If the facts are that God isn't real because he can't be seen, then that would make wind and air not real. They can be felt ( just as God ) but not seen.
I mean, Jesus Christ suffered and died for us, out of love, how can anyone reject that kind of love ? It is a free gift, all we have to do is receive it in faith. I don't know any more to say then that. Knowing that God exsist is all I need to know and I do know !!!


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 10:04 PM by motherof2two
reply to post by angel of lightangelo


It would be hard for a 'non-believer' to know about God or even have the slightest idea of his exsistence. One has to believe and know that God is real through faith NOT PROOF. God doesn't owe us anything ~ God has the power to prove himself and in due time all non-believers will see him and they will know that He is real after all. People can't mock God and get away with it. I am a firm believer in God ~ I am a firm believer that Christ Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords. I believe that Jesus died for our sins, I believe he was dead and lives again. I believe that Jesus is seated at the right hand of God the Father right now, waiting for his time to return to this world and put all this wickedness to an end once and for all. I don'tknow why people can't just believe without proof. We have never seen air but we believe it's real ~ we can feel it just as we can feel God if we would just allow him to touch us when he reaches out to touch us. God touches people and God helps people and God DOES answer prayers. People can't see him and so they think it's impossible for him to be real. That's why we should read his word and know that Romans 1:20 is very important to believers and could be to those that don't believe.


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 01:15 AM by gYvMessanger

Oh yes... I've had morals all my life, but if God exists, then I'll have to follow the faith. I'll have to kill others for not believing as I believe. I'll have to kill gays for disobeying God. I'll have to make sure that children who disobey their parents are properly slaughtered.
You're absolutely right - I don't want to 'change my life'. I guess I'm just not the killing machine that your God is...



Erm what ? Believing in God = obeying the laws of a power hungry human institution, nooooooo thats not quite right sorry.

We as a species where put here, or raised up from the common animals. for a reason, why don't you intelligently help figure out what that is, and perhaps go about doing it, your role may well be different from my role, your path is your own you certainly don't have to do what any church tells you to do, you can find a teacher of spiritual practises that resonates with you or go your own way, by the words of the religions of the book, god is unknowable by that definition they cant claim any "rights" over knowing the divine will.

People need to get over the idea that God is an angry old man sitting on a throne in heaven making up rules on how we should live our lives.

These are dark times and as we know most people are sheep, the seek the protection of the group, they want someone to lead them and tell them how to act and what to do, but the people who tend to end up leading are the conmen of this world, society is so messed up, you don't have to have faith to be a moral person, I don't believe that when I did I will go to heaven or hell,
though I believe they exist on one level, on another they don't.

They are tools used to lead the herd.
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