An interesting note to make from the OT.

The word for 'created' was the word 'bara'.

There is no true word for 'created' in Hebrew...bara actually means...to fatten/to fill.

God fattened/filled soemthing that already was.

It wasn't 'created' out of nothing...it was filled/fattened with the Holy Spirit.

The word 'bara' is also used when the sacrifices were being explained...bara was the fat of the animal...the 'filling' of the animals flesh. It was literally, the 'fat'.

Then look at the leaven teachings...showing how the bread raised with the leaven. We are a process that is evolving over long durations of time. We have been filled with the spirit at some point in time. There are 2 types of leaven for a soul...righteous leaven of divine or unrighteous leaven of this material world.

Look at the teachings of 'fruits'...fruits are produced through a process. A fruit must have a seed, the seed must produce a vine, for the tree to be fruitful, it also helps for the seed to be planted in a 'good soil'.

Our souls are going through a process...evolution is a part of this process. Why it is so hard for others to even 'think' about this possibility is beyond me. God works in ways beyond our understandings. To say God doesn't work by things evolving actually limits THEE to what Thee can do or how Thee will work.

The pure teachings of this process were the teachings of the fruits and the bread offerings. Then the creator God, which only THINKS itself to be God....brings the misleading teachings of blood and force.

Sacrifice and offering are two different teachings with two different natures.

Peace,
LV

I do not live to please 'Christians'.

It says what it says, I didnt write it...nor do I follow every word of the Bible. The Bible has two different natures in it, one is righteous and the other is not.

All I did was point our an 'obvious' that many refuse even though it says it right there.

Bara means--to fatten/fill.

Lol, its not my fault, I didnt write it.
LV

Originally posted by toasted
No one has ever looked out their window and seen evidence for evolution, ever.

Thanks for reminding me. When was the last time you looked out your window and saw the earth rotate? How about photosynthesis? Seen radiation lately?

independentjournal:

your ideas of the mechanism of evolution (viruses spontaneously turning into bananas, or into wholly different types of virus) are stupid. nothing more, and nothing less.

go read a book. one that was written within the last hundred years. seriously.

I'm not talking about Darwin. I'm talking about the hundred-and-some years of empirical science that followed him and his contemporaries. You Christians bring up Darwin as though we rationalists worship him in the same way you adhere to your Bronze Age war-god.

Your arguments are all nonsense. I don't have a problem with calling you out on that and neither do the T&C.

If 'your momma' and the Bible are your only recourses in debate, there's no point in continuing this. But if you're interested in discussing real evolutionary theory, instead of talking about viruses turning into bananas and getting indignant when I call you a fool for it, I'll be here.

thanks for the 'foe', by the way. i'm shaking in my rhomboid boots.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal

Antibiotic resistance is NOT evolution but adaption within the kind.

erm... you just described evolution...

Did the virus mutate into a banana? No it adapted to fight off the antibiotic but it didn't change what it was. The Flu is still the Flu, when you can get a virus to change into a different virus completely you will have Evolution, but of course no immunologist will ever say that this can happen as it has never been observed.

OOOOh ok, evolution can't happen unless you witness speciation? Ok, I'll disregard your false logic for a moment and play by your standards...

look into Ensatina eschscholtzi and Phylloscopus trochiloides... Observed speciation at its best!

Why is this thread still going? I answered the OP's question long ago. Just proves my point I guess, some people need so badly that GOD don't exist or they would have to CHANGE THEIR LIVES... No GOD NO RULES

Believe it or not... you didn't answer anything... you believe you did, but you haven't answered... but instead, take every opprotunity to prove the OP's point... sigh...



[edit on 14-12-2008 by nj2day]

Originally posted by Lookingup

My apology to the OP since I am off topic. I just couldn't let this slide.

Seems more than on topic to me. It also helps to point out the specific school of thought the anti-evolutionists come from.

The word for created is not a correct translation....

Bara means' to fill' to fatten' to make something out of something that already is...not to make something out of nothing.


Im not saying every word is truth...but if you are going to take it as truth...one should study each and every word.

Peace,
LV

And I agree....even if there are falsies found...it does not disprove God or Jesus in any way.

What it does prove to me is that Gods nature might not be what many think it is, wrathful and damning because we are not worthy due to Eve's screw up and bla bla bla...

LV