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reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 10:50 AM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by WatchNLearn



Aside from the question of whether or not religion or God should be taught in schools, there's a difference between teaching "that there IS NO God" and teaching "that there is no EVIDENCE that God exists". I realize the article title was copied exactly for this thread, but it's not exactly accurate.

I don't think there's anything wrong with teaching that there is no evidence if God, because I think that's true. But it would depend on what a person means by "evidence". If you mean scientific evidence, then yes, that's true. But some people consider our mere existence as evidence of God.

But I wouldn't think that teaching that there is NO God would be appropriate, because that's not the school's business, it's the family's.


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 10:56 AM by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
reply to
post by angel of lightangelo



In public school? I didn't know they had that!


LOL, of course not but the post I was replying to said primary school as opposed to college

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
This isn't college and has Absolutely No Business in Primary School...



and not private vs. public schools. I assumed the point was something about grade level or age appropriateness and not socioeconomic politics. Silly me.


Also if for some weird reason the school (the primary school) feels it must offer a 'there isn't a God class' then they should have a 'there is a God class'. both taught by Qualified educators.
This is Not Right in all ways...


Just the way I read it.


[edit on 14-12-2008 by angel of lightangelo]


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 11:25 AM by bigbert81
reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers



I don't disagree with you at all. And the last time I checked the article, unless it's changed, it doesn't say anything about not giving the kids an all around education; but to finally have a class like this as an option in a public school is a HUGE step forward.


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 11:41 AM by Notecreo
Originally posted by WatchNLearn

Students to be taught there isn't a God


news.ninemsn.com.au
Victorian state primary school students will soon be able to take religious education classes which teach there is no evidence God exists.

The Humanist Society of Victoria has developed a curriculum for primary pupils that the state government accreditation body says it intends to approve, The Sunday Age newspaper reported.
(visit the link for the full news article)



This title is misleading.

Why is it that whenever someone says there is no proof god exists people think that's the same as saying he doesn't. There's just no proof. If I said I was teaching a class on proof that he doesn't you can throw a fit, be my guest, but it's not the same thing. There is no evidence that there is any god. I'm talking about empirical evidence, not "look at that mountain, it HAD to be made by god".

It's a lateral move in any case. If you ask any science teacher (except for a misguided few) they will tell you that science has found no evidence pertaining to god's existence. But it shouldn't matter, since no one really knows if he exists, even religious people, because it's belief. You guys don't need proof either way and have gotten along without any sort of evidence (except fake evidence) for centuries.

As for choice...this "god" person is stuffed down my throat everyday. My #!$&*@) money's got his name and "trust". We don't get much of a choice with many religions that demand their followers spread the "good word" to us. %#@$%^! mormons woke me up today, way too early for me not to post.

Don't know what ego has to do with atheism, I can keep my mind open about the existence of omnipotence in this or some other universe. But I don't think it's the guy they were telling me about this morning. It's not like I think I'm god, I just don't believe your god exists, and I don't see anything pointing me torwards the existence of any god. Why is it that you can mathematically show the high probability of life in other parts of the universe and still more people believe in god than extraterrestrials? It's like math doesn't matter that much.

I recomend gardening when in a bad mood.


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 11:43 AM by bigbert81
reply to post by StevenDye



Hmmm, let me guess......you are a Conservative, right?

It's not a matter of YOU turning out good, so others would have to also, it's a matter of evolving beliefs and changes. This is a great early step for that.

Think about it like this, one man discovers something spends his life learning and how to do it, then teaches another what he knows. So now the second man has a jump start on it because he didn't have to spend so long figuring it out for himself, so the second man can spend his life making it better/more efficient, and then the second man teaches a third, and that trend continues on and on.

It's evolving...




[edit on 12/14/2008 by bigbert81]


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 11:54 AM by StevenDye
reply to post by bigbert81



If you speak of the Government parties... I can't stand a single one of them. They all suck...


And no it isn't about whether I turned out good. I am saying thateven after being at a Chruch school, and then having years of Religious Study lessons. Only about 5 out of 50 children from my junior school year group believe in God.

That completely contradicts all the accusations that children are being indoctrinated by lessons about religion. It simply isn't true.

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