Why most people may not wake up! The Sad Truth

what i have seen, the light u have shown me, shocks me still to this day, my lil brother has just had the mmr vacine, and my mother called me stupid, for even suggesting that the drug cud cause autism, my family and even mt girlfriend av become, perfect examples of Brainwashed society and iv given up on tryin to enlighten them on the issues we discuss, even a small amount of information bores them and depresses them instantly, we have to make a stand,
a world wide protest syncronised and organised, just as pretty and dumbed down like their News channels and media entertainment, simple and effective with maximum effect, not that itll change the goverments mind about anything, but to awaken some of the zombie's who will have no choice but to take note, we have to but or "Crazed" and stupid minds together!!!! We must make a stand

Somehow I think that is not correct.. narrowmindedness imho is the result of only listening to 'the experts' , be they scientists, politicians or clergymen via the official channels of 'learning'. True learning and wisdom can only come when taking as many different opinions into account, which is not encouraged by TPTB, and is, in fact, ridiculed, downplayed and discouraged.



I think narrowminded people will never wake up if nobody is around to challenge what they think they know. I wouldn't call it stupid because intelligence is only a small portion of the equation, smart people can be narrowminded and 'dumb' people can have an open mind.



In this sentence I think 'stupid' needs to be replaced with ignorant. And this ignorance is, in large part, nurtured and grown by our trusty Mainstream Media Entertainment Divisions.



That's because, if they have to acknowledge their education is seriously lacking, the way they perceive society comes crashing down around them.
A véry scary proposition for most people who just want to live their lives, raise their children, do their work and not be bothered with politics, science and basically any knowledge which they perceive as unneeded to live their lives under those premises.



I think the material offered in the post is exactly what could shake people out of the lethargy of life, to question what they have been brainwashed to 'know', and to break out of the box. I fail to see how ignorance can be a personal sin in today's society, where learning independantly is seen as socially suspect. Imho the only cure to ignorance is knowledge.

Kudo's to you again, Zysin.. S&F once more..

If, for instance, the material offered here, or any amount of truth which you say to someone "asleep" affects him, it will provoke a reaction which will not be based on the intelligence.

My definition of intelligence is: creativeness.

Most or rather many people are not intelligent in this respect, they will instead follow protocols, that is, their behavior is conditioned. This kind of reaction I call reactive.

Both you and me are exposed to propaganda from all sides, but it does not affect us. Why? Because we know what is going on. People who don't know what is going on will be affected. What I say here, is that no matter what propaganda you are exposed to it will only affect you if you allow it to be.

If I get affected by some propaganda, I sure as hell won't blame "them" but only myself, because I fail to understand. My "reaction" will be a decisive attempt to debunk, to deconstruct whatever is affecting me because I know it is the only way to deal with it. Once you know what is happening you are in good position to avoid it affecting you.

Now, why are some people susceptible to affections? The only answer to that I have is: they are ignorant. I say "stupid" because it is their choice to trust external sources of knowledge, which are always in form of some code, laws, rules, protocols, coming from persons who are authorized and experts in this field. They never believe or have faith that they can do it on their own. This fact is heavily and mercilessly exploited by unethical people. And unethical people are all those who confuse cunning for wisdom. Cunning man counts on other people's ignorance and uses it for his own advantage. Wise man never does that, he always tries to avoid manipulation.

This is inherent in society, because society is a system of distribution of responsibility: not everyone is responsible for everything, everyone has only partly responsibility which defines his task in society. Therefore, such people are practically at mercy of others when it comes to seeking solutions for their problems.

Remember the case of a man brought down by car? When no one stopped to help him? This is why: because in society not everyone is trained and "authorized" to help the injured. And yes, there are cases when those who received help sued those who acted impulsively and tried to help, thus perhaps causing more damage.

The whole fuss about it was a false flag operation. It is the same as taking law in your hands. No authority will allow that. That was an expected "reaction" and all the fuss was actually false. A false dilemma, good to fill news with such empty contents.

Because of such conditioning, people will easily give up their own ability to find solution for their personal situation and helplessly await for help to arrive from the assigned members of society. Such people you can never awake because they will refuse to listen to you, they will only seek help from doctors, psychiatrists, journalists (who are to be ultimately trusted, aren't they by definition?), from the politicians because they have been "elected" and "entrusted", and so on.

This division, distribution of responsibility in society I call schizophrenic, because that is the definition of schizophrenia - the divided mind. In my opinion, that is a disease. It doesn't allow all to develop their personality to its full, on the contrary it insists on dividing. The result: catastrophic ignorance and state of dullness. The only situation in which schizophrenic people will not react is when they are asked to accept responsibility for their lives. It's as simple as that, and very difficult to overcome, because one needs lots of energy to invest, and that precious personal energy is constantly sucked out by million excuses which all come to one thing: I am ignorant, must seek help from others...

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nice prose, and before going back to the schyzophrenia point, let me make clear i think just about the same as you put it quite clearly about this whole manipulation/indoctrination process.

because i do believe you are missing something about schyzophrenia, do consider a new perspective that this webpage explain much better than I could:



biologyofkundalini.com...

edit, forget to make my point: schizophrenia is not a disease and has nothing to do with corrupted biological processes in the brain

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do reverse osmosis and distillation... get yourself a shower filter with activated carbon.. start growing your own food using filtered water.. don't forget that in farming this water is used to grow food...I am starting to take steps to protect my future and my families future.. its no wonder we lost 8 years in our average lifespan...

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For decades millions of people have been conditioned to rely on a flu vaccine for protection when good ole fashion nutrition to bolster your immune system and the washing of your hands frequently does more to protect you. Now millions are conditioned to take the flu shots while dying of fat clogged arteries, poor nutrition and bad hygiene. Now that you are hooked on the flu shot, the next step is to deliberately contaminate the entire lot of vaccine with a death sentence for whoever is injected. They will blame the millions of deaths from the contaminated vaccine on terrorists.

John Matrix

This is the crucial point and I think the explanation from the quotation is very accurate. However, I disagree with you, and this is why.

My understanding of consciousness is that it is the contents. Empty consciousness doesn't exist.
What else we have is what we call mind (in my interpretation it is the force, or analytical and creative mind). The "mind" that belongs to consciousness is perception - both emotions and ideas.

What I understand as schizophrenia is the divided mind which consists of emotions and ideas, so this is one meaning of schizophrenia - the consciousness itself. The important thing is that it forms the opposition to the creative mind - the true schizophrenia.

So the opposition is between the physical and metaphysical.
Body-consciousness is the physical and force-mind is the metaphysical (consciousness without contents).

The "awakening" as mentioned in the quotation emphasizes this.
If we deal with the contents of consciousness passively, we get used by it, by emotions and ideas which exhaust us. If we deal from the position of the force (knowledge) we are the active principle and we are awake.

The fact is, the most common misunderstanding (as in Marx) is that we as human beings do the work. In my opinion it is the ideas who really do the work, and we suffer from that work. That is how we are being exploited. The "result" of our work is appropriated, also by an idea, the idea of the collective, society, system,state... name it however you want. This energy that is taken away from us is then redistributed throughout the "system" (that is the highest idea). And then we get "what we need" - as in communism. But what we need is decided by someone else. Therefore, we don't really get what we deserve, but what we are allowed.

Every system is a collection of functions. We all have a function in a system, and we are rendered to being a function instead of being free and creative beings. The system has a hierarchical order and distribution of energy is such that the highest functions get the greatest amount of energy. In practice, it is the "authorities" who get the most. It is pretty obvious to me.

This is exactly what I mean:
"The mystic has become emancipated from the persuasions of psychic content, while the schizophrenic has become lost in them."

Yes, the mystic, the awakened understands what is going on, he is no more in function, actually he is a "free resource" and will have to struggle to avoid being used. But being the one with free energy at his disposal, having knowledge, he is free from ideological and emotional delusion and can only be physically destroyed by the system. It can by no means be re-converted into the sleeping state.

The one who is not awakened, is in function of a system, and because he is depleted of its energy, he has no strength (knowledge) to even conceive his position, not to mention fighting back.

What I believe, as a "mystic" is that energy or force translates directly into knowledge. The way force affects matter (which is in this case consciousness = "images, symbols, myths, stories and personal identity...") is immediate, by annihilation, because there is no procedure in force's affecting matter. It happens instantly, and the only explanation is: because it KNOWS HOW. That is knowledge: knowing how.

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So, my understanding of schizophrenia, as for instance, a virus (a code or program) embedded into the human genome, is that this state of "divided mind", knowledge and ignorance, is reflected in consciousness as the division of emotions-ideology, for which there is no cure within the such created system, which is not aware of the other, mystical side. That is what I call the disease. Being subjected to schizophrenia, human beings follow the rule of "divide et impera" without being able to step out of the vicious circle - because it is "so obvious" that things must be like that.

As Pindar wrote: man is a dream of a shadow.





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"For those that are breaking out of consensus mind and who are leaning toward inflation or the schizophrenic end of the scale, this vulnerable condition is NOT the time to be intensive meditation, shadow work or primal processing. For these people stabilizing and structure building is needed more than uncovering therapies as the interpenetration of the levels of consciousness proceeds. Humor, because of its trickster element is a great tool for establishing rationality, because laughter builds up the prefrontal lobes. The practices for the periods of unstable integration between the levels of consciousness should be of an embodiment and boundary building nature. Of self-definition through internal exploration via neo-shamanistic practices of a self-originating nature. The work of Miguel Ruiz, Byron Katie and Alberto Villoldo would be valuable at this stage to establish the self/other boundary and build up the core-self".

From the same site:
biologyofkundalini.com...

In my interpretation, humor, or laughter, is a release of energy which is not enforced by an emotion or idea. It is a surplus energy released because of the limited capacity of a person. Contrary to this, surplus energy which stays within a body system is experienced as anxiety (often masked by various feelings like fear, stress, etc.). Releasing this surplus energy is beneficial if one cannot use it in a creative way.

But to be able to act in a humorous way and control your energy fluctuation, you need to understand what is happening to you. Once you understand the source of oppression you are free to play with those ideas which normally haunt you, and your awakening will slowly, but steadily take place. Because in doing so your capacity will grow and you will have more and more energy at your disposal.

Listen to the laughter of the oppressed ones: it is often impregnated with uncontrollable convulsions and obviously nervous.

Typical art form in expressing state of awakening is the so called "archaic smile" - like in archaic sculptures from Greece, or Buddha, even the Mona Lisa has this mysterious smile...


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The Perkins Story


"The level of fluoride the government allows the public is based on scientifically fraudulent information and altered reports. People can be harmed simply by drinking water."


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The Use Of Flouridation


I just want to quickly thank everyone who has taken the time to give your thoughts and ideas into this thread. I can not do this alone, its good to know I have a backbone of support here.

As easy as it might sound to want to say, people are to blame if they have one pulled over on them. Its up to the person, to see and not be tricked by propaganda and lies.
If you are asleep you can not see the lies, you can not tell the difference.
All you know is what you are told.. And when you find reports and other data that counters it, you must chose who you belive.
Which in turn is what this is all about who is right? And what is really going on here.
I am but a vessle of data. I am not a doctor, I am not a prophet.
I bring forth data I have collected in my time on this earth to help you the reader decide what is best for your life!
In the end its up to you what you want to belive. And how you want to live your life. But those awake, can see it with ease. Yet those asleep will deny and counter your every move.
I am happy to note I have no met much counter reaction upon this thread yet. A couple, but thats to be expected, and if my data can not hold up to their voice then thats what I want.. If data can not hold up to the counter measures of others, then I need to go back to the drawing board. However so far I have reached a bit further than I hoped with this thread.
We are all pretty much on the same page here.
A few slight differences, but thats to be expected in such a large world.
With so many ideas, lifestyles, and culture.
In one form or another we are slightly dependant upon eachother. No one human could live on this earth alone. We need to know we are all linked together, and this stuff they put in our waters, and our food, is the start to disconnect us from our higher selfs.
They dont want free thinking humans who can figure this all out.
They want conspiracy theoriest, as it protects them.
However this is becomming more mainstream everyday.
The house of cards is slowly being exposed.. And with the work of like minded hearts and souls we can slowly help bring forth a better tommorow.

Predecessors of IG Farben


IG Farben is very key important to understand in all of this. And how operation paperclip helped them become a powerhouse in the American standard.
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Source link I. G. Empire


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When I first was introduced to pictures like this, I honestly said to myself.
Now this is none sense. We defeated the Nazi's! And I know Bush might be a bad guy, and his family rotten to the core. But come on. Nazi?

After years and years of reading and research, Ive come to the point now where I can understand why people will protray Bush W. As a Nazi!
Presay me just rambling on about why I think so personally.. Let me just share some facts with you. But this is Directly related to what is in our water, and what they do to us as a whole.. the Nazi's did it to their people. The American Government is doing it to its people why?
Ever heard of operation Paper Clip?


Source Link

Okay so now we know of project paper clip.. That in turn ties together what I have been talking about in above posts.
Connect the dots if you can.
Here we go it gets easier to connect...
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

The Spin starts here...

So they can counter claim he was not.. Was he not really? Who runs the CIA? Who runs NASA?
Lets start with CIA.

General Reinhard Gehlen Key word there folks.. research the man yourself.
Just a Rumor???

Okay Nasa.. YOUR turn

Wernher von Braun
Interview with Slave who worked for NASA/Nazi scientists

YouTube Link

Now we have this guy.. And the ties get even deeper for us.. You see, its taken me alot of GUT. to even want to know this #! IT hurts me deeply to even begin to fathom this.. Why should I even know this? Would it put my life in danger? Most likely not.. Becasue its all conspiracy theory.
You see it protects me, it protects them.. Pretty even deal huh?

So next time you see a Nazi Bush poster.. You can say.. Hmmm I guess they are spot on.. While he may not be an old school Nazi. He is a neo con. Who is playing a new game, under old laws.
Hail to the 4th richt! The thosand points of light! Remember who use to say that? Well its over and done with now.. These guys got away with it scott free.. Bush is on his way out.. And Obama is on his way in..

Watch yourself Obama.. I will be watching you.. And I know your just another puppet to your masters.. The Nazi masters who want and will create a NEW WORLD ORDER.

Now this all goes hand and hand with IG Farben! Yep we are back to those guys again, a seemingly loop in logic here.. Much like math.
Things tend to repeat. 2009 the Codex will be put into place..
Oh dont know about the codex.. Check my OP.. Im doing the work for you here.. All you need to do is read, and back up your own sources!

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Another factor keeping us asleep and unwell is the change in the "official" frequency of music.

Music used to be healing and directly help the body and soul in various ways.

Now the frequencies which produced healing patterns have all been upped a little so that the frequencies we hear these days produce chaotic, damaging effects in our bodies and do nothing for our souls.

Some great musicians, like Hendrix, naturally tuned their instruments to the old tuning. That music touches you inside and affects you in a way the "A = 440 Hz" music can't.


Great thread, by the way. You've done a wonderful job of assembling many aspects of our repression together.

i think that most people may not wake up
because people don't want to get involve

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Great you are ahead of the game my friend! You too realize that sounds and vibrations is what makes up for alot of matter we dont fully understand yet. Omiverse and such. But I will get into further detail down the line on that. I have a previous thread that covers sound and such here.

YouTube Link

Science fun (Are we vibrations?)

Now lets tie into this Denver airport. Ive done my fair share of homework to find this video covers much of what I have learned.

YouTube Link

The Denver airport was my very first post on ATS! It caught my eye when I was scanning over it with google map. Didnt turn up much, but when I looked further into the details about the artwork and such... WOW! Its sertinly an import part of the puzzle here!

To add- Hilter was simply a boss to a group, an idea that still lives on today. Just because they took out Hitler doesnt mean its the end of the Nazi's powers, with the Zionism order of things, it starts to get really complex, and to many people from different walks of the line.

Such as today what you have going on right now as we speak.
Bush having Shoes thrown at him!
Gaza families eat grass as Israel locks border

Its just not happening in America yet... Its only a matter of time before things get really bad.

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How to fight back! and how to understand.

I sometimes like to ground my posts a little bit and not overwhelm my reader with to much doom and gloom. There are ways to see this in a light where you can begin to understand how it works closely. And even with all this knowledge we can still become free. But I have covered enough facts to whom and why and how.
Now its time to break free mentally, and then break free physically!

How We're Controlled Globally.

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I will keep this one short and to the point. I think this is one of the more brillant works of David Icke. Very grounded information here.

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yah,
ok, i will agree again: i see I misunderstood the use you made of the word "disease" (as if it was related only to the individual, and not the system he's stuck in).

I believe, as i first wrote page 2 this thread, it is the system at the notch of the matter. and that instead of treating the individual, it is indeed the system to be treated : the individual should be put in situation/conditions to be able to treat by himself only to discover/understand/recollect/recover/control/be the master of his own mind.
i also believe that a schizophrenic mind is a possible genius or free man at least to become. Unfortunately the way the (neo-cons) system diagnose and treat that prevent it to ever happen.

(I must admit you are mastering the subject much better than i do, thanks for making me think !)

I think people are purposefully coming in here and acting like they cant spell not including the ones from overseas naturally.

But ive been here for a while and only suddenly in the last few weeks ive seen an ever increasing amount off misspelling. Forgive me if im being a bit contradictory but it is increasing, getting suspicious and thought i would get it off my chest. Maybe like one or 2 misspellings but the whole paragraph come on.

What i want to know is how we can get back at the media for disinforming the people with lies?

Meadow who is getting frustrated.

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The problem with communication is that you need consent for it to happen. Advertising and imposing is often violent and practically means that you want to control someone by filling him in with "your" information. And information, of course - (in)forms!

It is typical for emotions and ideas to project - they are projections themselves. Like, if you are happy, you'd like all to be happy. Or if you are disturbed you'll like all to be disturbed, that is, you envy those who are not disturbed, and so on...

If people who are in government feel threatened, they project this insecurity on whole society and the result is a police or totalitarian state. Everyone becomes a threat because of this feeling of "being threatened". Because it projects, it assumes that everyone is feeling the same, and therefore taking measures to prevent any preventive actions from others - it's a vicious circle indeed.

You say I'm making you think.
Let's look at this from a methodological point of view.
How to make someone think without wishing to impose your will and establish control?

There are two opposite approaches. One is adopted by the existing global (historical) community. It is about offering finished product which will then be consumed. What you offer people is digested stuff. Such goods are for one time use only because they get consumed.

The other approach is to provoke people into abandoning their protocol thinking by deconstructing the process of causality. That is art.

Because art is in this manner offering product which cannot be consumed, there is no market for such stuff. Energy is indeed in abundance and merchants won't bother to have anything to do with it. Or else, everybody will be going to church, or to museums and galleries, or reading books!

Products of art are source of energy and that energy is free. It is also called knowledge. Because it is free, nobody bothers.

But those who care about art have a surplus energy at their disposal and can affect society by simply meddling with it. A work of art will always produce discontinuation in a given pattern, and society is always about patterns.

When you create a discontinuation in a pattern those who are affected by patterns only will suddenly find themselves in a situation in which they have to use their own resources (be creative) because the inertia which was carrying them suddenly disappears!

This is how you make people think.

It is a kind of sabotage. You pull the rag beneath them. Give them an unexpected answer to their premeditated questions.

This kind of behavior is strategically superior because someone who is acting in an unconditioned way always has initiative. He dictates a new logic, which is destroying the existing logic. In art and in philosophy it is called deconstruction. It can also be dangerous, because those who are dominated by feeling of being threatened will react to that as to a threat.

So you have to be very careful when doing so.

I have come to a conclusion that private property is a feeling of being threatened.
Yes, private property is a feeling.

In most societies private property is idealized and embedded in constitutions as the single most important fact. This ensures the domination of a feeling which rules over people.

If you carefully consider this, you may realize that if you lack this feeling then your relation to property will be mostly indifferent.

It is very well illustrated by the anecdote when Jesus tells the rich guy to give up his possessions to others and come with him. The rich guy was unable to do that. Because he was not himself, he was ruled by this feeling and undoubtedly he felt threatened by such offer.

Feelings and ideas are the ones who are in command, they do all the work and people simply comply.

The kind of energy emotions and ideas need to keep running is much more valued by authorities than oil or electricity. The energy which is created by existing opposition between the doctrine of private property and any other doctrine which focuses on something else, like religious abstract for instance (Allah, for instance, who is a typical metaphysical deity) is the energy needed to perpetuate an emotion.

The anxiety, which is commonly interpreted as fear, is the row energy created by such oppositions (including fear mongering as a method) and this energy is easily used to upgrade the "security" system. The more of this energy there is, the more the system will become secure, that is, it will become a totalitarian system. The war against terrorism is such abstract opposition which creates enormous quantity of anxiety and is ideal for such purpose.

Of course, there other generators of this energy, the global society is simply the society of anxiety. This civilization is the civilization of anxiety.

The other kind of energy, which is identical to knowledge neutralizes this anxiety, because anxiety is the result of affection. The one who has knowledge cannot be affected and all the anxiety is turned into creative action instantly, instead into a reactive action, which only feeds emotion or ideology.


Therefore, understanding how human beings actually function, what is affection and what is creation, will result in deconstruction of all ignorance. But it can only be done on the individual, personal level in the first place, it can never be done by affecting mass of people, because they will still be affected and will stay ignorant. It is very simple.

Churches of any provenience all fail in the assumed task to enlighten people. Because if you think personality, you can never think "mass". Personality is an abstract, it is the force, the knowledge and it is one and the same for all (the symbol of Christ for instance). It is not possible to multiply personality. Personality, as energy, is immeasurable, because it cannot be measured like material things.

Educating masses is actually a passive way of helping people. You give them the necessary articulation, but it will not prompt them into making their own effort.

To prompt them to start behaving as an active principle, you have to trick them into losing the familiar environment onto which they rely by the force of their habit, their conditioning.

For instance, if I wanted to apply the method of conceptual art, I'd sabotage some propaganda action, for instance.

A bizarre example. Instead of the advertisement:

One smoker - many victims! (from the anti smoking campaign)

I'd write:

One President - many victims!

By replacing nouns, or verbs, or adjectives, you deconstruct the underlying logic and that will prompt people to stop, and perhaps think, for an instant.

This is how koans in Zen Buddhism work, though they are much more elaborate and hit some deep mechanisms of conditioned behavior and thinking. Art works in the same manner.

The kind of schizophrenia that is considered illness is the kind which doesn't fit into the protocols of capitalist or any other kind of society. This applies to any behavior that doesn't follow the established patterns. It is always a question of authority, such behavior is actually "unauthorized" behavior. That's why it has to be dealt with.