The Jews Killed Jesus!, page 5
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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 03:26 PM by toasted
reply to post by Incarnated


" Yeah, maybe your right I shouldn't use a book that can be seen as fiction that has supermen that are born out of virgins and walk on water. Oh wait! That's not the Urantia book, that's the bible!

So yeah. The Urantia book is real. It doesn't matter if your willing to see that yet. "


So, you're deceived, big deal, I was a member of that club too. Perhaps someday you'll actually run into a teacher where you can learn the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse with understanding, not these big talkers who try to pass themselves off unto the masses as real but are not, for they do not teach the word with understanding and meaning.

You could always pick up a bullingers companion bible and a youngs analytical concordance and look up the words you think you know. You'll find out you were lied to.

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reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 05:27 PM by DantesLost
reply to post by MikeboydUS



If Caiaphas was lying about the vision, the Gospel would of stated it. Considering what Caiaphas saw correlates to the mission that Jesus believed he had, die for Salvation, the vision is clearly intended to be divine.


Not necessarily.There are many things he Bible should say but doesn't.

It was also no secret that Jesus had to die to fulfill his mission.Caiaphas would have known about it as no doubt he would have had someone watching and following Jesus.

His 'prophesy' was the perfect cover for killing Jesus,it was this that made the other priests agree with him.



reply posted on 20-12-2008 @ 08:30 PM by MikeboydUS
reply to post by DantesLost


There are many things he Bible should say but doesn't


If we go with that line of thought, then the entire text would be unreliable and it would be pointless to reference it in this case or any other case for that matter.


reply posted on 21-12-2008 @ 07:36 PM by letthereaderunderstand
Originally posted by t0ken
First of all Jesus (Peace be upon him) did not die or got crucified by anyone.We Muslims believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world.

What the Holy Qur'an says about Jesus:

They slew him not, nor did they crucify him but it was made dubious to them. (Holy Qur'an, Surah Nisaa, Verse 157)

And surely they slew him not. But Allah (God) raised him unto Himself.

Bible sates:

and a little while and you shall not see me; and again a little while, you shall see me because I go to the Father.

As such, Muslims believe that Jesus (Peace be upon him) was raised to heaven. According to Hadith, he is on the second heaven. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) mentioned, "During the Meraj (Ascension), I met Jesus (Peace be upon him) on the second heaven. I found him of medium stature, reddish white. His body was so clean and clear, that it appeared as though he had just performed ghusal (ablution, cleansing of the entire body) and come."

In another Hadith, Prophet Muahammad (Peace be upon him) mentioned to the Jews that:

"Jesus (Peace be upon him) is not dead, he will most surely return to you before Qiyamat (the Day of Judgement)."



Hello, I'm just wondering because I don't know.

Do you say (Peace be upon him) after every name you say or is it just men or prophets considered Holy within the Muslim faith?

I don't know that many muslims, not that I don't want to, but I just don't interact with many on a day to day basis. I can't recall if I've heard Muslims saying this or not. I would appreciate your response, I'm sincerely curious and may peace be upon you, you're just as important as any of those names.

thank you, ltru


reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 12:22 PM by DantesLost
reply to post by MikeboydUS



If we go with that line of thought, then the entire text would be unreliable and it would be pointless to reference it in this case or any other case for that matter.


I agree.
But i believe my other points are of more importance in this debate and find it interesting that you ignored them in favour of a statement that has no discussion value.



reply posted on 22-12-2008 @ 02:49 PM by Jkd Up
reply to post by Incarnated


Jesus was killed by the Romans... He was tried by a Roman judge, voted to death by his own peers and the exicution was caried out by Roman troops (one even stabbed him with a spear to expediate his death). The Jews don't believe in him... they didn't kill him.


reply posted on 23-12-2008 @ 12:55 PM by MikeboydUS
reply to post by DantesLost


I didn't go into them because your reading too much into it like many of the other posters.

We can't just assume this of that in regards to what could be. We have to deal with what we have at hand.

I could make all kinds of assumptions based on whats written, but assumptions have no face value. Maybe this or maybe that doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is whats actually written and it analyzed in an objective manner.

If someone already has a bias against Jews, how can they possibly be objective? Every assumption and every idea is tainted by prejudice and irrationality.

Ive already laid out according to scripture what Caiaphas said and did. Occam's razor really needs to be applied to wild assumptions and ideas.


Ultimately one has to ask who is the judge and what is the court here? If it is the court of public opinion, well public opinion doesn't matter. If this was a trail before the Hague, Ive already laid out that Pilate would be charged since he had Command Responsibility.

If were talking about G-d being judge, well His Will was fulfilled. Besides that Jesus asked G-d to forgive those that know not what they do. So who are we really to Judge Pilate or anyone else? If G-d has forgiven them, why are we even having this discussion?


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:45 PM by Anonymous ATS
The Jews killed Jesus?

The Jews thought they killed Jesus and the Christians believed them.

The Truth is, Jesus did not die nor was he even crucified, and both Jews and Christians will not believe because they do not know the Truth. When the Truth is made known to them they still will not believe because they're security of salvation lies in thinking that he died for them.

Jesus did not die for anybody, that's the Truth. No human soul can save another soul, all of you who believe that he died to save your sins will be ashamed to meet him and his disciples on the Day of Judgment. He will disown you all and deny association with you.

If you want to benefit in your belief of Jesus, then believe that his mission on Earth has been only to deliver God's message, that is ALL God asked him to do. God's messengers are mortal men, ordinary people living normal lives until God cause the Spirit of His command to descend upon them. God will never punish a community until He has sent a messenger to warn them of the Day whereof there is no doubt. They are all sent with the message of worshipping Only One God, if any of you can follow that simple message then God's MERCY be with you because that is the only thing that can save you. Except God have mercy on you none of you will enter Paradise, crave the Mercy of God, believe that He is the ONLY ONE who can save you, put all your Trust in Him, in God ALONE let believers put their trust.

Do not waste any more time, you don't have enough. If you all know how close you are to the Hour and how real the promise of Your Lord is, His Promised Reward of Paradise for those who believe in Him as the Only God and His Threat of Punishment of Hell then you will all be seeking a way of recourse to Him. Hasten on in the Worship and Praise of Your Lord. Seek forgiveness of Him for He is ready and willing to show you His Mercy.

The Net is cast, the hour of separation of the big and small fishes are at hand, the grain and the chaff, the corn and weeds, the true from the false, the white and the black, the good and the bad.

The gathering is near, whoever wants to be gathered let him Praise the Only God and receive the Seal of His Mercy.

God will not let the Earth be destroyed until He has brought together all the seed of Abraham marked with His Living Name, He will bring them all together, and they will be One People with One God and with One Shepherd, the Servant of The Alive, The Eternal.

He who has ears let them Hear.
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