The Jews Killed Jesus!

reply to post by ProfEmeritus

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I think you and everyone else on this thread missed the point entirely.

From your quote of John 11:49-53


If one is to believe what is written here, it plainly shows what happened.

Jesus' death was prophesied and inevitable. According to the Gospel of John, the High Priest saw it in vision and explained to the priests. They knew exactly what they were doing according to John and knew it was to be the will of G-d.

This has absolutely nothing to do with guilt. It was according to the High Priest the will of G-d. Even Jesus according to the gospel knew what was happening.

There simply was no choice in the matter, no guilt, and no fault. Jesus' death was Israel's salvation and by extension the world's salvation.

Read this closely again:



Then look at this:

Matthew 15:24


Now put this in historical context and I mean from 1948 all the way back to the 1st century. Even as a Jew, which I am, I realize that his death was a catalyst on a scale unseen in human history. His death was the catalyst for historical change unlike any other figure in human history, sending shock waves all the way to the present day. From the persecution and near extinction of the children of Israel(prophesied by Moses), the rebirth of Israel, and the proclamation throughout the earth of an obscure Semitic deity worshiped by nomadic herders thousands of years ago. From Jerusalem, to Rome and to Mecca the once obscure Semitic G-d of Abraham is now proclaimed. The impact on history from Rome to Mohammad has shifted human civilization. The role that the Abrahamic faiths and its members have played in human history is monolithic on a scale hard to even begin to try to comprehend.

Had Jesus not died, the catalyst for this massive shift in human civilization would not of happened. If one is to believe the Gospel of John, the High Priest saw this in prophecy all the way to the rebirth of Israel. He chastised the Pharisees for their ignorance, "You know nothing at all!", when the Pharisees spoke of immediate political concerns.

One has to look at the bigger picture. This wasn't about guilt or fault. They had no choice. It was the inevitable Will of G-d and it would change our world and the course of human history forever.

This is an illustration of the woman going into labor...the birth pangs. This is why you are given imagery of the sweat as great drops of blood...the water is breaking.

Remember who His Body is. "I am the head, you are the body"....

Peace

If historical records are to be believed, Jesus killed Jesus. It was a self-fullfilled prophesy found in old testament writing that he chose to carry out.

reply to post by Incarnated

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I'd like to point out Jesus was a jew himself. Most of the hate towards jews has roots in christianity and catholicism. (Which btw were beliefs that started in judiasm) So let me get this straight, jews turn in jesus, romans kill jesus, romans take over christianity then change the translation to fit what they like discarding what they don't and make catholicism, from there they change from being humble before the lord to wearing their best clothes along with make up and confessions to ease their mind over past sins, then with a clear conscience continue sinning only to repeat the process. Through all of it they all blame the jews for the downfall of a jew. Isn't that like the rest of the world hating every american if the majority of america condoned the killing another american long after the fact? I guess it's easy to picture since most of the world's population hates all of us for what our governments does.

reply to post by Rezwar

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Romans killed Jesus, but Christians killed Christianity.

Now That might make for one HOT thread!



Christians kills Christianity, I like it but it needs some work. Something along the lines of ChristStains killed Christianity. Christians couldn't kill christianity as christianity was not the belief system of the Christ. "christians" made up a religion called unimaginativly "christianity" that had less to do with the teachings of the christ over the iconography.

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reply to post by Incarnated

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" The Jews Killed Jesus. Is that wrong? "

It most certainly is not that simple. That would be like blaming all the native Americans for killing Custer. There was a specific tribe involved with Custer, and there was a concealed deception of who it was that really called for the death of Our Lord.

"Ye are of ye father the devil" What tribe was Our Lord speaking to when he said those words? He was speaking to the Pharisees who were questioning Him, but they were Canaanites, the sons of Cain, not the tribe of Judah as a whole. The BAD was mixed in with the good, and that is still true today.

bartleby.com...

When people hear about Israel, they think of the "Jews", but that is equally wrong, for there were twelve tribes, of very different types of people and of those twelve tribes there was a division between the north and the south, not to mention the constant splitting of the attention away from God and towards idolatry, and that division was coming from the Canaanites who dwelt among the Israelites.

reply to post by Incarnated

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Yeah.. i couldn't think of anything that was accurate, but still had a ring to it.

What's really funny is that you say your little ditty about 1/2 bible verses then turn right around and do what you dislike, paraphrasing and not even quoting your source.

I will say that you are correct in that sin killed him. "It pleased the father (Pater) to bruise him" and "he was made sick".

I ask you a question. How is God able to Judge correctly? You might answer because he is perfect and that is fine. Then I would ask you what perfect means to you. To me perfect means complete....nothing left to form. Another way to look at perfect is Just.

Justice is perfect, because it is a leveling of the playing field. It flattens mountains and raises valleys. He is able to judge justly having judged through all.

Peace

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The Jew where the cause of Jesus death. Without the Jews Jesus might have never died. But the Romans are the one who acually kill physically who killed Jesus. But the Romans didnt want Jesus death. That was the Jews. And dont forget Judas to was one of the ones who has great gilt. But without Judas Jesus still would have die because of the jews.

I agree completely. How could ANYONE know, since nothing was written about Jesus until 150 years or so after the fact, and not one of us, except perhaps those who have access to a time machine, and that would, in effect, make you one of the Montauk Boys. I think the whole thing was staged by the Jewish underground of the time, in an effort to have a risen Saviour that had beaten death, something that would counter anything the ruling class, the Romans had at the time. You just don't know who, if anyone,did kill him. And, by the way, his name was not,and is not, Jesus Christ, that is a fake name, and a false God, and... a depiction of Jesus on the cross hanging in a church is Idol Worship.

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reply to post by slymattb

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Technically G-d was the cause of Jesus' death. Without the death of Jesus, according to the High Priest Caiaphas, Israel and indirectly the world could not be saved. Caiaphus knew it. Jesus knew it. Even Judas knew Jesus had to die.

How hard is it for people to understand that?

The High Priest knew Jesus' death was G-d's Will. How does blame, guilt or fault apply to the Will of G-d?

If anyone was to be blamed, it was the Human Race, for warranting the event in the first place.

I think God most like provoke. He knew what would happen when one came with real power to earth. The supposed holy men would get him killed. But end the end. I think it would Satan in them that spoke in there ears. Everybody has free will. God nor Satan makes anybody do anything. They just give you the options you can take.

Jesus was killed by the same reasons we argue if God is real or not to day. The Jews and the people back then were just as blind as we are now.

If Jesus came back today we wouldent believe it if it was so. Most of us even the Christians would call him a false profit.
And we will do so when the time comes it is already prophesied in the bible.

The way we argue about our own religion right now is told to us in the Bible. But still we dont care and walk in the same circle as usual. We ask to many questions instead of listening. And we compete between our selves about who's got the best answer. Just like they did in the old days.
We dont seek the truth but the honor of having the best argument. But is that going to save you or make you any smarter. The Bible mentions something about us trolling with words and twisting the truth.


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reply to post by spy66

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You are right. It makes for an interesting trap!

reply to post by spy66

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" The Jews and the people back then were just as blind as we are now. "


I'm sorry to say, that you don't get it either.

There's a huge deception that Jesus points out to the people he was speaking to as well as an alarm to the people within earshot of His comments. In John 8, he was telling everyone the Pharisees [ the so-called bigshots, the elite of the day ] that they were kenites.

Do you know what a kenite is? A son or sons of cain. Why does that matter? Because cains father was satan not adam. The proof is in the geneaology of adam where cains name is not listed.
And there was no stinking apple tree in the garden at all. Scripture uses the term tree for people many times. And please don't quote me some blowhard preacher who repeats falsehoods to his flock as proof.

Anyways I do understand why you felt that way, I was as ignorant as anyone concerning the Bible and couldn't of cared less, and also believed the popular myths that even preachers tell their flocks [ no one said all the preachers were good ones ] , until I heard about the 5 deceptions of islam which started me on a journey of seeking out the truth.

I'm sure you have no intention of changing your opinion anytime soon, I just needed to say my piece.

That's less true then it is true. Satan was not the father of cain.




Cano, a decendent of the "fallen" was the father of Cain. It wasn't of the plan of Satan, but the Devil, though through rulership rules it can also be seen as Satan's plan.

Know the truth now!

reply to post by toasted

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So in truer understand Jesus was calling them children of the fallen ones.

that is if your inturpetitive is to be trusted.