Originally posted by Incarnated
The Jews Killed Jesus. Is that wrong?

[edit on 13-12-2008 by Incarnated]

Jesus said something along the lines, "I give my life...no man takes it from me."
So in a sense, it seems clear that Jesus killed Jesus. (Now Jesus was a Jew...so, in that regard you could say a Jew killed Jesus - but I think Jesus statement stands on its own. No? )

Peace

dAlen

[edit on 13-12-2008 by dAlen]

Let the bible answer this question

Matthew 27:15-25 (Amplified Bible)

"15Now at the Feast [of the Passover] the governor was in the habit of setting free for the people any one prisoner whom they chose.
16And at that time they had a notorious prisoner whose name was Barabbas.
17So when they had assembled for this purpose, Pilate said to them, Whom do you want me to set free for you, Barabbas, or Jesus Who is called Christ?
18For he knew that it was because of envy that they had handed Him over to him.
19Also, while he was seated on the judgment bench, his wife sent him a message, saying, Have nothing to do with that just and upright Man, for I have had a painful experience today in a dream because of Him.
20But the chief priests and the elders prevailed on the people to ask for Barabbas, and put Jesus to death.
21Again the governor said to them, Which of the two do you wish me to release for you? And they said, Barabbas!
22Pilate said to them, Then what shall I do with Jesus Who is called Christ?
23They all replied, Let Him be crucified! And he said, Why? What has He done that is evil? But they shouted all the louder, Let Him be crucified!
24So when Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but rather that a riot was about to break out, he took water and washed his hands in the presence of the crowd, saying, I am not guilty of nor responsible for this righteous Man's blood; see to it yourselves.
25And all the people answered, Let His blood be on us and on our children!"


What do we learn from this.
1) Pilate the Roman Governor tried to release Jesus, and he was a Pagan this equals less guilt.
2)Roman Soldiers also just following orders, also Pagan.
3)Less educated Jewish people mislead by the Jewish Clergy, again less guilt
4)The religious Jewish clergy who forced Pilate's hand, are the guilty ones, they knew better, they had the scriptures to tell them.

So not all the Jewish people are to blame, I would lay the real blame with those God and Jesus view as having no chance of forgiveness, some of the Jewish clergy and Judas, they all knew better, and followed a selfish course that violated the Holy Spirit anyway.

Matthew 12:31-32 (The Message)

31-32"There's nothing done or said that can't be forgiven. But if you deliberately persist in your slanders against God's Spirit, you are repudiating the very One who forgives. If you reject the Son of Man out of some misunderstanding, the Holy Spirit can forgive you, but when you reject the Holy Spirit, you're sawing off the branch on which you're sitting, severing by your own perversity all connection with the One who forgives.

Accurate knowledge of truth places the highest level of accountability.

I do find it interesting in that as he was crucified by the Roman soldiers, who were just doing their job, it was Christ who implored, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."

They were just the tool. The priests of the Jews are the guilty.

I've heard it said that the blood of Jesus is on the Jews and that is reason enough to hate the Jews.

My savior was a Jew. Born a Jew, lived a Jew, and even died a Jew.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
Let the bible answer this question

Matthew(Amplified Bible)

"25And all the people answered, Let His blood be on us and on our children!"

"Let his blood be on us and on our children".

The Nationlistic Religion of the Jews Put to death the Son of God because Jesus was going to take away their "chosen people" idealization. One must wonder would the christians alow for such a behavior being that so many of them are uneducated like the "common" Jews that screamed Jesus blood be on them and their children.

Regardless of the higher understandings of "God". I'd not say that it was "God's" Plan to kill Jesus in that way, however Jesus did say "Your Will Be Done". So it shouldn't be argued at that point that was God's will.

However in understanding higher messages, the points are always still a dressing on the side. The Religious Leaders of the "nation" didn't want the "truth" rather then the dogma they themselves found confert in. The Men in the robes of religion did not want their positions taken away from them so They Killed the Son of God.

Originally posted by dooper
I've heard it said that the blood of Jesus is on the Jews and that is reason enough to hate the Jews.

My savior was a Jew. Born a Jew, lived a Jew, and even died a Jew.

In understanding of a "Loving God" there is no reason to hate.

I could argue that you're wrong about Jesus dying a jew. He might have been born a Jew, but didn't he die something else?

As some scholars are indicating; it was the Sadducees. The Pharisees were bitter towards the Sadducees and the High Priest.

There was a division in how both believed and functioned. The Pharisees were more committed to oral law while the Sadducees were more traditional as their lineage went back to Aaron the brother of Moses, and the Temple of utmost importance and its duties (maintaining structure and tradition).

Jesus constituted a threat to the Sadducees as he was not their idea of Messiah and in their belief; the Messiah ended with, or was fulfilled with, Hezekiah. So Jesus would have been considered a heretic or false prophet.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
SIN KILLED JESUS, ALL SIN!!!

Ummm... No.

If you want to get litteral then it is most likely asphyxiation killed Jesus.

Watch where you're pointing that thing.



Jesus might have died for your sin, but he didn't die for mine. I'm on the path of perfection.

Originally posted by dooper

I've heard it said that the blood of Jesus is on the Jews and that is reason enough to hate the Jews.

MODS PLEASE REMOVE THIS POST NOW!!! This is racists and outlandish. Can we HATE ALL CATHOLICS for what some did during the inquisition?

How about all blacks for what some Black Muslims are doing to some in Sudan?

How about all Whites for what they did to Blacks in early America?

THIS KIND OF SPEECH IS NOT PROTECTED!

Again for those that can't read or want to post half Bible verses let me clarify...

SIN KILLED CHRIST, YOURS AND MINE!

Next, Pilate told Christ that he had power over his Life and Death and begged Christ to give him something to release him... To which Christ RESPONDED -"You have NO POWER over me that MY FATHER in Heaven didn't give you...

That takes the Jews and the Romans out of the equation don't it?

As I stated, SIN KILLED HIM...

I see everyone has mentioned most:
Judas: someone had to betray him
The Chief Priests & teachers
Pilate
Herod
Yes, some of the Jews, but also consider this;

On reaching the place, he said to them, Pray that you will not fall inot temptation." He withdrew about a stone's throw from them, knelt down and prayed, "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will but yours by done." An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.

Yes, all of the above is true, but Jesus himself OFFERED up his body for the sacrifice that was to come.

So, YES WE ALL ARE GUILTY!


Peace,
Grandma

I get that Jesus died for sin, it had to happen. But it doesn't absolve the humans that conspired to make it happen, and they were Jews.

However if you know the bible and history, even after God still favored the Jews for a very short period of time, after the 1st century all special favor and status was gone.

As has been stated, a Jew died for our sins.

The blood of our children part was paid in 70CE when Jerusalem fell, it doesn't go beyond that.

In 2008 Jews have no special favor or curse. They are viewed as any other race.

The Jew is a shortened name of Judah. Yehuda is "Celebrated"...the lions whelp. Since this is Gods word to all, lets apply it to all, and one so that, it is in all and with all through the one.

So, we have "Celebrated". The Celebrated betrayed Jesus who's name is also a code. His name means, Self Existent Salvation....the one we reject.

The "celebrated" cried out, "let his blood be on us and on our children" and is the exact same thing we hear in the "Christian" churches. "Let his blood cleanse your sins". Because the church is in complete ignorance of what they are doing Jesus cried out, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do", not realizing they are killing themselves, by forgoing the Living Host that God is glorifying them in who they reject as salvation who is "Self existent".

If freely you were sold, and freely you are bought back...you were always free. Who told you you were naked? Did you eat from the tree I instructed you not to eat from.....no wonder I can't find you, you're dead...just as I told you.

What people need to know that is so important is that the names are code words of sorts or parables. They speak of character attributes of what is favored by "The Living God" who is always living.

He does not hold one man special, who he does hold on to are those Doing His Will, for when you are doing his will, you are his will and the father and son are one.

"He has no form, that we may behold him", "He is numbered with the transgressors" "He is Taken from Prison and Judgment" "by HIS KNOWLEDGE he shall JUSTIFY many." "He does not cry out in the streets....(Get saved!)" "As a lamb is lead before it's shearers, he did not open his mouth" "He is in the world, but the world knows him not".

Anyways, just another take. Learning what the original words fully meant, is where many are lost in Babylon or confusion. You will find the story you learned is living and not in a book.

"The never ending story"....Peace