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Calls for Congress to Read Bailout Bill: It was just last night that the 110-page Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 was finally hammered out, but members of Congress will be asked to render a vote on the bill as early as today -- making it unlikely that representatives and staffers without advanced Evelyn Wood speed-reading training will gone through the thing closely before issuing a yeah or nay. My Emphasis 
STUART — Jupiter Islander Tiger Woods, along with Superman, Santa Claus, Mickey Mouse and Snoopy were all considered by some Martin County voters to be better options than the 14 people on the general election ballot for president. My Emphasis 
I am prepared to do what my opponent has not in his opening, and that is discuss the candidates.
Since the birth of Santa Claus, who has ever had a conversation with him on any topic, let alone national security or the current financial crisis?
Santa Claus is a man who operates incognito and avoids any attention whatsoever.
Santa Claus panders to young children all around the world. NONE of whom are eligible to vote.
How would the financial systems ever survive with this man in charge? His answer is to give everyone what they want, the markets would burn before he entered the oval office.
Has anyone sat and talked with this man regarding the day to day operations of the most powerful nation on earth?
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Obama has “no experience or background” on national security, McCain says:
“In all due respect he does not understand…the fundamental elements of national security and warfare,” McCain told reporters aboard his plane during a flight to the Washington area, where he is set to deliver a speech at his high school in Alexandria, VA on Tuesday.
SQ#1: How recognizable is Santa’s name worldwide?
SQ#2: How recognizable is Obama’s name worldwide?
SQ#3: Does Santa appeal to the specific income brackets in different ways?
SQ#4: Does Obama appeal to specific income brackets in different ways?
SQ#5: Could America not benefit from the wisdom of a generous man who has delighted centuries worth of human beings?
So while the current generation of young’uns may not be voter eligible, the previous generation is. Does my opponent think that just because people grow up that they forget the magical generosity of the man in red? I sincerely doubt it.
What we will be touching on further in this debate is just why Santa Claus chose to live at the North pole and set up his slave shop there, as well as potential manslaughter and possible murder charges that I believe should be brought forth on this man.
People have died as a direct result of the lack of concern that he shows for people over the holiday season.
Radical anti-abortion ideologues are running ads that make wild 'Born Alive' accusations against Barack Obama.
Barack Obama is a committed Christian, not a Muslim.
Distorted and fabricated quotes from Barack’s books on race and religion are being used to manipulate the public.
The preposterous “whitey” attack against Michelle Obama is completely disproven.
Does Santa Claus, and his impostors around the world, show up at shopping centers internationally to have young children pay to sit on his lap? Yes or No.
Santa Claus currently has a positive reputation, however it is my belief that this image would never survive a presidential campaign.
What wisdom do you refer to?
And everyone suffers this harsh truth at some point in their life and will realize it sooner or later that Santa Claus will do nothing for you except leave the burden of holiday shopping on your own shoulders.
People have died as a direct result of the lack of concern that he shows for people over the holiday season.
1. How do you justify the countless children who receive nothing at Christmas and depend on charitable organizations to provide?
2. With nobody having ever met the real Santa Claus and able to be certain of it, how do we know that the actual one is the one we are voting for?
3. What U.S. state was Santa Claus born in?
4. How much of a calendar year does Santa Claus spend within the United States?
5. Do you agree that it is a violation of every labor law in existence to force these children born with abnormalities to work 365 days a year in the harshest of conditions in the world?
SQ#1: With nobody having ever met the real Santa Claus and able to be certain of it, how do we not know that the actual one is the one we are voting for?
SQ#2: With a majority of Americans having never met the real Barack Obama and able to be certain of it, how do we know that the actual one is the one they voted for?
SQ#3: Do you consider a thirty year old midget to be a “child born with abnormality” with the implication being that a thirty year old midget is incapable of making decisions for him/herself?
SQ#4: What did Santa not bring you as a child that has inspired such a vehement opposition to such an icon of generosity and good cheer?
SQ#5: What is your favorite color?
Santa is leading by example when he delivers gifts worldwide. He is demonstrating through his own actions that children who are ‘good’ deserve to be rewarded for their behaviour. As well, he is demonstrating that people need to recognize good behaviour when they see it and react accordingly
My friend, I am somewhat confused as to how you continuously say that I am misrepresenting this man when I am only presenting facts.. as you are yourself.
Santa Claus does some good things with his efforts. However, sitting on a sleigh and reaping all of the glory from the hard work of everyone else does not qualify someone for the highest office there is.
Obama is a man who has mobilized millions and inspired a country to stand up for what is right.
The impact of Obama extends far beyond the borders of the United States.
From my opponent's opening statement
During a time where the economy is crashing all around us, we need somebody at the helm who can show restraint.
This legislation had emerged Monday as a behind-the-scenes compromise deal between majority Democrats and the White House. Their joint statement about the dangers of rising joblessness among elves and humans alike initially helped reverse lost momentum for the toy industry bailout.
Little Mary Sunshine, spokesperson for the United Toymakers Guild, told reporters at the North Pole this morning that Santa Claus was unavailable for comment because he was busy determining how snow in New Orleans will effect his holiday schedule. She said that Santa has complete faith Congress will "do the right thing" in time for his annual deliveries on the eve of December 25.
"Santa is making a list of senators and checking it twice," Miss Sunshine said. "He's going to find out who's naughty and nice."
Senators who vote against the toy bailout will find something much worse than "clean coal" in their stockings this year, she hinted.
SQ#1 - Can you provide a birth certificate for Santa Claus?
SQ#2 - 1. How do you justify the countless children who receive nothing from Santa Claus at Christmas and depend on charitable organizations to provide their Christmas?
SQ#3 - What specific policy of Santa Claus do you view as superior to that of Barack Obama?
SQ#4 - What is Santa Claus' political affiliation?
SQ#5 - Would you speculate who you feel Santa Claus would select as his running mate?
Now let us take a minute to look at a crowd of people who showed up to see what they hoped is Santa Claus.
Am I not altruistic, noble and "good"? Yet, Santa Claus would leave me without a Christmas present because I didn't fit his standard?
Santa Claus reads his list and checks it twice but he NEVER takes the time to come out and meet the people that he checks off his list.
No, I'd like to reserve this for someone who will take the time to follow up on the naughty and see what happened and then see if we can help them out.
As Santa is an international entity, I would say that Santa is an independant.
Despite the difficulty in wining the presidency, independent and third-party candidates often bring attention to their most prominent issues. They can also affect the outcome between major-party candidates.
SQ#1: Does Santa's obvious attention to weather conditions of the geographical terrain he has to cover negate his sincere dedication to the American population?
SQ#2: How do you suppose Santa allocates individuals into the categories of 'naughty and nice'?
SQ#3: What specific policy of Obama's do you view as superior to Santa's projected and inferred stance on humanity?
SQ#4: If blue is your favorite color, does that not reflect upon an inherent bias to Christmas and Santa by association seeing as Christmas colors are traditionally red and green?
SQ#5: What is your favorite animal?
A fact that can be presented and perceived in only one way.
Obama cares about those that Santa does not.
Obama's tax plan will provide relief to the middle class who is feeling the crunch during these economic times.
James A. Johnson is the person selected by Obama to head his Vice-Presidential Search Committee. The main stream media hasn't told you much about Johnson other than the fact that he lead John Kerry's VP search committee.
Because James A. Johnson is a Vice-Chairman of a multi-billion dollar hedge fund and merchant bank, and a business partner of George Soros. Johnson also was the chairman of investment house Lehman Brothers. Johnson is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. 
In Response To My Socratic Question #5
SQ#1 - Did you vote in this year's election and if so, who did you vote for?
SQ#2 - Do you feel that Barack Obama was the best man for the job in the 2008 election?
SQ# 3 - What Presidential candidate in this years election reminds you most of Santa Claus? Please pick one.
SQ#4 - Since you emphasize how recognizable Santa Claus is... will he wear his red suit on a daily basis as President of the United States?
SQ#5 - If Santa Claus is President of the United States and thus holding down a separate full-time job, who will provide gifts to the specific population that he provides? Will he rely heavier on charitable organizations?
After reading the debate several times, I have reached a tough decision. Both fighters presented very strong arguments and made their cases very eloquently.
Chissler, while making a very good case, seemed to focus more on attacking Santa rather than comparing and contrasting him to Obama. However, when he did compare and contrast the two, his points were very well received and hit home quite nicely.
MemoryShock started out strong by pounding on the debate topic but seemed to fall into Chissler's hands a couple of posts in. He stayed the course though and stuck to his guns.
In the end, I have to award this debate to MemoryShock, as I feel he presented the most compelling argument throughout the entire debate.
Congratulations to both fighters for a very hard fought and entertaining debate.
It is very obvious that both of these fighters are very experienced and well-versed in the use of logic, rhetoric, rebuttals, and persuasion. As I read this debate I kept changing my mind back and forth, and it was very difficult to make a decision.
Both fighters took a position and stuck with it. Both effectively rebutted each other’s points and rebuttals. Both used their Socratic questions cleverly and dealt cleverly with the questions put to them by their opponent. Both used supporting evidence and “facts” well, and both made their case confidently and persuasively.
In the end, I’ll award the win to MemoryShock by a very, very slim margin for two reasons:
1) I don’t think that Chissler was quite 100% at refuting MemoryShock’s argument that the American voter pays more attention to public image and familiarity than issues and facts.
2) After being maneuvered into declaring Santa an independent, MS's comeback rebuttal to "an independent can't win" was outstanding.
Upon such tiny things must a decision rest when two skilled fighters go head to head and produce such an excellently argued debate.