Evolution Officially Debunked!!!, page 4
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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 03:21 PM by All Seeing Eye
reply to post by furiousracer313

I watched 8 portions, and would like to thank you for posting them. I do not completely agree with Dr Hovind's position on everything, but I do believe he is as close to the truth as anyone in this messed up world.

For my personal belief, I think Evolution, and creation, played a role in history. Let me coin a new term "EvoCreationism".



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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 04:17 PM by blowfishdl
reply to post by furiousracer313



Absolutely nothing was taken out of context. He called upon a 6 year old to answer the question, a 6 year old. This is an example of how he is creating this illusion of stupidity on the science side of debate. He makes it seem as though a 6 year old can debunk science (laugh out loud).

He is clearly an entertainer, not a scientist. He does not use facts, he uses humor and disrespect for the scientist crowd to get believers. The problem with Christianity is they have this vendetta to recruit Christians regardless of what extent they must go through.

Just found a debate, going to watch it all the way through. Here it is.
Debate


reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 05:05 PM by dave420
reply to post by furiousracer313



He's no scientist. He's a creationist masquerading as a scientist. He is dishonest. He is lying to everyone.



reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 08:02 PM by vasaga
Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
Unless you factor in the amount of time that is far beyond your comprehension. Or...care to share with us which creation myth or religion is less "far fetched?"
I'll be glad to. First of all, let's start with abiogenesis shall we.

In the past, they thought that flies appeared from garbage itself. That was proven wrong when someone placed some flasks where some were open and some where closed and flies only appeared on the open one. Two centuries later, that belief came up again but with bacteria and algae. A scientist came along again, and he showed that life only comes from other life, including large animals and also algae and bacteria. That is basic biology. He showed an experiment to a lot of people to prove his point. I'm not gonna explain the experiment completely. The thing was that a sterile liquid not exposed to air will not form bacteria. It was proven again that life can not form from non-life. Now there's that primordial soup thing, which is completely hypothetical btw (no proof..), wherein a chain of chemical reactions took place and formed a single cell. Then a group of those cells grouped themselves together in colonies to form more complex organisms. This turned into fish blabla and then turned into man.. According to this, every single creature can be traced back to a single cell, which is represented by that tree of life. These are ALL ASSUMPTIONS. There is no proof whatsoever. They use these assumptions for the rest of the theory.

Next is the fossil records. All those bacteria and animals that are found, are found abruptly in the fossil record. There's no connection between them so to speak. They are simply separate. I didn't make this up, a lot of paleontologists say so. After two centuries of intense research, the paleontological evidence for evolution is VERY rare AND highly questionable. There are no links. There is also no indication that the situation will change in the future. If you don't believe me, ask a paleontologist or search about all those fake "apehumans" they made up with bones of man and apes. Besides that, all the things they use as links, for example that flying reptile that had feathers, is still very far from conclusive. Also a lot of paleontologists claim that humans did not change at all since their first appearance and that the whole apehuman thing should be thrown in the garbage. They even call evolution a mythology.

Now we go into evolution within the cells themselves. Biochemists say that mutations are not fixed to natural selection in the first place. Natural selection only eliminations anomalies that mutation can create. It stabilizes. Nothing more, nothing less. If living organisms were different in the past does not mean organisms have changed, only that they became extinct. They don't "make" new organisms. That's a BIG assumption they make. It's just a general agreement. No proof here. And even "simple" organisms like algae and bacteria are real complex and not something nature just comes up with by chance. It must derive from other life. Biochemists also claim that the basic of the life structure is the same but this does not mean that it evolved, but exactly the opposite, that life stayed the same, because evolved life would mean a more complex structure and that's not the case. The genetic data however, is different. When comparing man to other species, humans are original and did not evolve from any other species. Genetic data does not support an organism evolving into a more complex one at all.

Now we come to the geological timescale and rock strata. They search for "layers" where they find fossils. They say if something is deeper buried, it's older, but that's simply not true. The layer they say is actually a bank, and not the actual layer. Something buried deeper can easily be younger than something on the surface. The layers form sideways gradually and sometimes even instantly, and not the way they tell you. They say, a layer came a few million years ago (carbon dated, ill get into that later), a few million years passed, then another layer etc, but they are looking at banks, which is wrong. I'm not gonna explain this too deep. Research this yourself or look at this video and its other parts (starts after 1:40) till part 6:
www.youtube.com...

Now we come to physical chemistry which includes carbon dating and uranium dating. First carbon dating. For this, carbon-14 is used, which is an unstable radioactive form of the carbon element. Carbon is present in living organisms and is processed by the body, where a certain amount becomes carbon-14 and is expelled from the body. When it dies, the remaining carbon-14 which was present at the moment of death, is what can be detected. From the moment of death, carbon-14 is decaying and by calculating how much decayed, they have an indication of how old the animal was, however, this is only valid for living lifeforms because rocks do not contain carbon-14. Fossils in rock can therefore not be carbon dated. Most fossils are found in rock strata. Dating those by "layers" is far from accurate, and no carbon-14 can be applied. And rock strata often do not have any radioactive material to give indication. Therefore they often use lava or crystalline rocks nearby (which don't contain fossils..) which sometimes do contain radioactive material to date the fossils..
Then we come to radio-isotope dating, and we'll use uranium as an example. Uranium decays into lead. They compare what's left of uranium in the rock, the formed lead, and the rate of decay to give a time indication for how long it took for the lead to form. But there are a few problems with this. You don't know if there was lead there in the first place that did not decay from the uranium, and lot of rocks contain lead that didn't come from uranium. This make the rock appear a lot older than it actually is. Another problem is that uranium can leak out of the rock because of humidity and other stuff, which will also make the rock appear a lot older. They tested this with lava that was 200 years old, and the calculations said it was 22 million years... Another problem is that they assume the rate of decay has remained constant, which is also highly unreasonable.. There are too many influences that cause this to change..

So.. After reviewing these facts it's obvious evolution has ZERO factual support in science..

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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 11:20 PM by RuneSpider
reply to post by furiousracer313



*snip*

Snappy comeback, mate. Keep it to T&C, and prove him wrong.
Insulting him as a come back just makes you look bad, like you can't support your own statements.

SHow his credentials, then.

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reply posted on 13-12-2008 @ 11:47 PM by Osiris1953
reply to post by furiousracer313



Please stop. Just please stop. There has been very little of substance from your end. If you really believe that nearly everything exists to drive people towards satan, then realize that your attitude and methodology drives people further away from what you consider to be god. If God has friends like you, why would he need enemies?

Please stop believing everything you see on youtube. Start reading, start thinking for yourself, start behaving like a well adjusted individual that can respect those you interact with. Otherwise maybe you should consider whether or not ATS is right for you.

If you chose not to have a real conversations with people on ATS soon, you may find yourself ignored entirely, and then what of your crusade.

Chill out dude, we are not bad people. If you would calmly and rationally explain your point of view and post legitimate reasons as to why you believe what you do, people will take your more seriously. Choice is yours.

Good luck to you.


reply posted on 14-12-2008 @ 12:28 AM by SamuraiDrifter
Originally posted by infolurker
OK... I get to recycle my post 3 times tonight!

Below are two very long articles but is definitely worth the time reading them.


Science cannot prove we're here by creation, but neither can science prove we're here by chance or macro-evolution. They are both accepted on faith.

www.harekrsna.com...

www.newgeology.us...

The claim that evolution is chance-based is often wielded by people who have no understanding of it.

Natural selection is the logical result of conditions found in nature- over-reproduction, limited resources, and a large amount of genetic diversity. The first two conditions cause competition for the limited amount of resources, meaning that the organisms with the genes most favorable to their environment will be the ones who survive long enough to reproduce. This in turn leads to a change in the frequency of alleles in the gene pool- evolution.

Chance events occasionally have an impact (leading to genetic drift events, etc.) but the primary mechanism of evolution, natural selection, is by no means random.
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