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Evolution Officially Debunked!!!

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posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by Solomons

Originally posted by ghaleon12
To say that God couldn't create the world by using the big bang as its starting point I find ridiculous. Christianity or whatever religion shouldn't be justified or substanciated from something that has nothing to do with the here and now. But I'm watching the rest of it now, looks interesting.


Who said the big bang was the starting point? its more likely our universe is the result of two universe colliding...infinite space...energy cant be created or destroyed and all that jazz,theres infinites amount of universes.


I'm tellin u bro, just check this vide, check part 3 and if u like it watch all the parts.. Theres like 7 i think... its very interesting... so check it please...




posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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this guy has been discredited quite badly on the internet and youtube, he says he has 15 years experience teaching highschool science but he doesn't even have a formal education and has never taught science at any level, also he has just been sentenced to 10 years in prison for tax fraud.

also i found this sentence laughable:

"no more evolution unless your ignorant and still believe we came from monkeys... "

evolutionists dont believe we came from monkeys, you just proved yourignorance with that sentence.



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 07:29 PM
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You HAVE to be kidding me! LOL!



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 07:37 PM
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It is not proof of creationism, this I can guarantee you. If there was definitive proof one way or the other it would be news worldwide.... I'm still waiting for the news report on this one. What is obvious and true is that we currently have a tentative truce between the more well known Christian and Atheist members of this site. We finally see people respecting one another. However, you come along call people stupid, tell members how angry god is at everyone, etc. Now you have this thread claiming to officially debunk evolution. I dunno, looks like your unnecessarily lighting the fuse on the powder keg.

Faith is an important thing. Some people have faith in God, some have faith in themselves. Faith is very important and personal thing, and if you feel the need to express your beliefs on ATS, well, more power to you. I would however encourage you not to restart the religious wars that have been here in the past. You need to realize that there are a lot of differing opinions on ATS and unless your intention is to get people flinging poo at each other again, I suggest you learn to use a little more tact when expressing your opinions.



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 07:45 PM
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Try pushing your debunked evolution strategy on a legitimate scientist. They have not the time of day to listen to a child's rant. Try reading the literature of Darwin, or even go visit Galapagos island yourself. The proof is there.



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 07:47 PM
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feriousracer313


So then how did we get all these elements?


Where to begin, where too begin???

Ah!! The beginning!!


In the early universe, as a result of the rapid collisions between particles, there was a state of thermal equilibrium. The reason this is so important is that things in thermal equilibrium can be quantified. This means that the system can be described by mathematical formulas, and that predictions can be made as to how the system would would change with time. Therefore, we can follow the evolution of the early universe through these formulas, even though we weren't there.



Up to this time (just over three minutes past the Beginning) there had been no nucleosynthesis. This was a result of the high energy density. In order to form atomic nuclei, the nucleons (the scientific word for protons and neutrons) must be able to collide and stick together. In the early universe the key reaction was the collision of a proton and a neutron to form a deuterium nucleus (an isotope of hydrogen). Collisions between protons and neutrons had been happening continuously since the Beginning, but their energies were too high to allow them to stick together to form deuterium nuclei.
This prevented further nuclear reactions leading to heavier nuclei. This type of situation where an intermediate product is the weak link in the overall synthesis is sometimes called a "bottleneck." This concept also applies in nucleosynthesis of heavier elements. Once the bottleneck is overcome, the remaining reactions are able to be completed. In the early universe, once the deuterium bottleneck was cleared, the newly formed deuterium could undergo further nuclear reactions to form Helium.



But, the remaining electrons still had plenty of energy, so it took about 700,000 years of cooling until this was able to occur. The capture of electrons to form atoms resulted in an important change in the universe. At that moment, without free electrons to interact with the photons present, the universe became transparent to radiation. This means that the photons were freely able to expand with the universe. These photons had high energies, which means that they had short wavelengths. But the expansion of the universe caused the wavelengths to get stretched out as the universe grew. These stretched out photon wavelengths are what we now refer to as the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB). They are a leftover from the Big Bang. We have been able to measure the intensity of this background radiation, and it has closely matched that which is predicted from theoretical calculations. This has been a strong evidence in support of the "Big Bang" theory of the creation of the universe.


aether.lbl.gov...

It was the advent of bacterial-micro/macrobian interaction, it is what we are all made of, even the terrorists and the satanists are made of the same thing's you are, there is little debate that the very, but the one thing for sure is "We are all Stardust, from the Universe, from the beginning.."

So, hope that the explanation was sufficient, would have written all in my own words, but it was much easier doing it this way.

And by the way "Most mainstream scientists revert to the 'Big-Bang' theory as a absolute coincidence as an actual event." and that is why I use it to refer to your request.

And, "That's where we came from" or "The thing's we are made from comes from.."


"Reply to" button not working again MOD's?


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posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by blowfishdl
Try pushing your debunked evolution strategy on a legitimate scientist. They have not the time of day to listen to a child's rant. Try reading the literature of Darwin, or even go visit Galapagos island yourself. The proof is there.


Really? because scientists who believe this evolutino crap have debated the guy in this video, and have been left confused. But i'll tell u what, go watch part 3, and if it interests u watch all the parts. Its like 8 parts. And if not keep ur mouth shut because u havent seen the video and probably know nothing of what he will say. So watch it and then talk. Thanks...



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 08:11 PM
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So i am also guessing you believe that fusion is what brought up alot of these elements? right? well u cant fuse past Iron, so how did the other elements get here? How can we tell right from wrong? Where did all this energy come from? Ahh, we have to choices, God or nothing. So let me get this straight we came from nothing? At least thats what scientists believe. They believe that one day nothing blew up and here came the universe.. And one last thing, Are you familiar with the laws of angular momentum? Well if u are, why is there Planets, moon, and even whole galaxies that spind in opposite directions? This breaks the law. And no they didnt collide. Go drop a gernade i guarantee you that the pieces wont hit each other. Why is all the matter in our universe unevenly distrubuted? Cant answer, because the Big Bang theory is a load of bull"". Dont get me started on evolution. That is why i want yall to see the video, because its easier to watch than read.. so check it out...



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by furiousracer313

Originally posted by blowfishdl
Try pushing your debunked evolution strategy on a legitimate scientist. They have not the time of day to listen to a child's rant. Try reading the literature of Darwin, or even go visit Galapagos island yourself. The proof is there.


Really? because scientists who believe this evolutino crap have debated the guy in this video, and have been left confused. But i'll tell u what, go watch part 3, and if it interests u watch all the parts. Its like 8 parts. And if not keep ur mouth shut because u havent seen the video and probably know nothing of what he will say. So watch it and then talk. Thanks...


Since you were so nasty towards me in your response, I would like to call you out on a sound clip, video, or even a name of one single scientist who was befuddled by a Christian disinformation propagandist.



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 08:19 PM
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Can you maybe point out what you find to be the more compelling points made in the video so we can rebut them more efficiently as opposed to us just ripping this up en mass?
come it's Kent Hovind the entire video is bunk.



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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the guy in the video lacks any basic science knowledge, there's a funny set of videos called "why do people laugh at creationists?" on youtube and doesn't deal exclusively with this hovind guy but at about video 4 onwards really starts to slam the guy for his inaccuracies, either way its good to watch a few of them to see the general ignorance and how wrong a lot of creationists are about even basic science.


heres number 1

www.youtube.com...



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 08:23 PM
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Here is his arguement summed up in a nice little graphic he created.



His arguement is.. Which one is different?

"Evolution is wrong because the Banana cannot reproduce with the wolf."



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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My point is to say that God could use any of the theories we come up with to create the world. I think it's safe to say none of our observations (which is step #1 in science) can prove or disprove God, we have to experience for ourselves what the truth is.



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by ghaleon12
reply to post by Solomons
 


My point is to say that God could use any of the theories we come up with to create the world. I think it's safe to say none of our observations (which is step #1 in science) can prove or disprove God, we have to experience for ourselves what the truth is.


However we are debating Evolution, not God. That is a whole different thread. Thanks for the input though.



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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It's a thread talking about evolution and religion, I think God has a place in here. I'm responding to what the speaker is saying in the video, and I assume that is what this thread it about.

Part of the problem is that evolution had been so heavily tied into "atheism" and religion is so tied into certain ideas of creationism. So if evolution were to be proven, some religious folk would be horrified. And if evolution were to be debunked, then some religious folk would be ecstatic. Really the question of evolution vs. creationism is sort of a "front" if you will between science and religion, that is why the question is so important for some. And this guy clearly is using his anti-evolution stance to bolster his 1# priority, Christianity. But this whole "battle" is pointless and it shouldn't carry any weight for atheists or religious folk and I find it frustrating to no end from both sides.

But like others, I wouldn't quite say that evolution is debunked. He brings up some interesting questions about the conservation of rotation, or whatever it was called, but science is a work in progress. Science can't always have all the answer at a particular time, and who knows, there might already be a known answer to his point.


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posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 08:37 PM
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You must of not read the whole article that I had posted for you to read, the Iron you speak of was once of another molecular structure form that eventually made the consistency it needed to become what it currently is.

Go back, read the site article, get back to me and after you read the first article, go to the site below for in-depth explanations of our elemental table and the compounds of which they exist.
And "Yes." They did come from nothing , essentially, but ironic that they too had became something other than what they once were....

www.americanelements.com...



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by blowfishdl

Originally posted by furiousracer313

Originally posted by blowfishdl
Try pushing your debunked evolution strategy on a legitimate scientist. They have not the time of day to listen to a child's rant. Try reading the literature of Darwin, or even go visit Galapagos island yourself. The proof is there.


Really? because scientists who believe this evolutino crap have debated the guy in this video, and have been left confused. But i'll tell u what, go watch part 3, and if it interests u watch all the parts. Its like 8 parts. And if not keep ur mouth shut because u havent seen the video and probably know nothing of what he will say. So watch it and then talk. Thanks...


Since you were so nasty towards me in your response, I would like to call you out on a sound clip, video, or even a name of one single scientist who was befuddled by a Christian disinformation propagandist.


Please rephrase you question..



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Mxyztplk
reply to post by furiousracer313
 


Can you maybe point out what you find to be the more compelling points made in the video so we can rebut them more efficiently as opposed to us just ripping this up en mass?
come it's Kent Hovind the entire video is bunk.


Its quit funny how satan tries to bring down people who tell the truth... haha...



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 09:16 PM
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Hovind has made controversial remarks regarding conspiracies, science, creation, equal rights, religion and government over the years. Hovind's creationist presentations have asserted that the reason biblical creationism is not taught in public schools was tied to "an international conspiracy" of "'The New World Order' (NWO) consisting of Ted Turner (and his wife, Jane Fonda), the British Royal Family, the State of Israel, the ACLU, and a smattering of former and present US government officials, business leaders, and social activists (particularly those advocating population control) -- shades of the Trilateral Commission."[83] In May 1999, he claimed "the implementation of the NWO's world-domination plan was May 5, 2000."


You see this guy also knows about the NWO.....



posted on Dec, 12 2008 @ 09:17 PM
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Oh and heres the link...

Kent Hovind






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