And there we have it.
Leaping is not flying - I'm so very glad that my opponent pointed out my grammatical error, for it shows he holds language and its usage in high
esteem, and as we can see from definitions, leaping is NOT flying
leap (lp) v. leaped or leapt (lpt, lpt), leap·ing, leaps v.intr.
. To spring or bound upward from or as if from the ground; jump: leaped over the wall; salmon leaping upriver.
1. Of or relating to aviation:
2. Capable of or engaged in flight:
Lest we forget, the title of this debate is “Santa's Reindeer Are Real And They Fly Too"
In the title, I direct your attention to the word FLY
Nowhere in the title is extended leaping mentioned.
I would also direct my opponent to my socratic questions - numbers 2 (failed to answer - I asked for the aerodynamic properties of antlers, which were
not provided), 3 (it is not for him to decide whether the question merits an answer, he only need answer it) and number 5 (which is distinct from
question 1 in that I first asked for propulsion and am now asking how they fly - lift, power to weight ratios and all that flying entails)
Please be so good as to abide by the rules of the forum and provide straightforward answers.
This is something I insist upon.
And now for the real science, rather than the fluff my "esteemed" opponent has been attempting to drip feed you.
An adult reindeer weighs between 130 and 700 lbs, depending on the sex and the time of year - in the autumn males are heaviest.
So in Santa's alleged team of flying reindeer of eight, the maximum weight would be around 5,600 lbs.
Given that there are almost 2 billion children in the world, and for the sake of argument we minus 10% because of naughtiness, that still gives us 1.8
I wish to be generous here, so let's say that each present, with wrapping weighs only half a pound (unlikely, as toys are SO heavy these days)
This gives us a CARGO weight of 900 million pounds - and that is before we consider the weight of the sleigh and the weight of santa (who is a rather
Does my opponent really expect us to believe that reindeer weighing around 5,600 lbs can even "leap" with a cargo weight of presents alone of
millions of tons?
In oirder to carry this amount, the sled alone would need to weigh hundreds of millions of tons.
The heaviest cargo transporter in the world cannot carry this amount.
But eight reindeer can?
Let's also not forget something rather crucial in answer to the image posted by my opponent - male reindeer shed their antlers at the beginning of
winter, so the "photograph" he posted has obviously been doctored - either that or all the reindeer are female, which would then take the total
weight of the sled towers to around 2,400 lbs, which would make it even less plausible that they could pull the sled, and begging the question of why
female reindeer are named with male names.
I shall be generous once again in believing that he must have been taken in by this obvious fake, rather than knowingly posting false material, so
desperate was he to find evidence for his theory.
Answer to socratic question
Other than the grammatical error, could you please elaborate on your statement, the children are all ears.
In the original poem about alleged santa's reindeer, the names of two of the reindeer were "Dunder" and "Blixem"
These names were later changed to "Donner" and "Blitzen" or thunder and lightning - a clear reference to the nazi blitzkrieg strategy of warfare,
and the nazi iconography of twin lightning bolts on SS uniforms.
So we now enter the realm of conspiracy.
The Real Purpose of Christmas
In a diabolical attempt to beguile children and some of the more gullible adults, we have been brought up on a steady diet of lies, half truths and
misinformation, so that commercialsim may profit even more at a specific time of year, no doubt intended to boost the balance sheet so that company
directors could "earn" their yearly bonus.
Is it any accident that christmas, jolly old St Nick and the tradition of present giving was thrust upon us at a time of year when shops do not sell
And then there is also the great turkey conspiracy, which I shall come to in due course.
Christmas in its modern form was invented for the purpose of keeping stores, factories etc prosperous all year round, and because of this obvious ploy
to get us to part with our hard earned cash, it must also be true that "santa's" reindeer are also a ruse to lull the gullible into paying for
THEIR end of year office party.
Since the 16th century, the wiley protestants have been onto this scam, and indeed Oliver Cronwell went so far as to ban christmas on religious
Rev. Paul Nedergaard a clergyman in Copenhagen, Denmark, called santa a pagan goblin, and the Jehovah's Witnesses reject christmas altogether!
Indeed, it is only in the west that christmas is celebrated in such a materialistic way - more meat for the grist of conspiracy theory.
Because of this, and more evidence which will be produced, I will show that not only does santa NOT exist, but neither do "his" reindeer.
1. How do reindeer pull such a formidable load. (I will not accept Monty Python comparisons to swallows - we are talking about reindeer here)
2. In modern PC parlance santa would be arrested as a paedophile for sneaking into childrens rooms at night and grooming them with gifts - does the
fact that he has never been caught or arrested or even sighted mean that does not exist?
3. Given satellite technology as well as radar and other forms of detection, why have there been no documented sightings of Santa and his alleged
flying reindeer by the authorities?
4. Why are "the children" so imortant to you?
5. Are the reindeer of the fairytale male or female?