Are we in something that is ALIVE??, page 8

reply to post by vasaga

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No you have to understand infinity

We are going to die.. me you my mom ur sister everything u know will die...

yes matter will go to be earth or whatever phyiscal thing u wish to use and our sould or energy will become apart of something bigger

THE UNIVERSE IS WILL DIE just the same as you a fly a nat a bug an leaf

Infinity is only trying to think of something so big u give up.. well i dont give up and i like to understand things in a logical way

We die it dies everything dies.. there is no loop UR INSIDE THE LOOP is the problem.. you cant see anything differernt becouse you are inside one!!

Originally posted by Hopup Dave
reply to post by Hopup Dave

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Well, I see I posted the above reply after theresults said he did not use mathematics to come to a conclusion, so my question above is moot!
this then becomes a philosophical conclusion.

The birth of the universe and it's growth and development can be equated to the birth of a living thing. And that comes back to my previous post, which , condensed, says life is the way the universe becomes self-aware.

I did use maths, if you read my post im after the understanding of odd numbers and the logic or maths behind it

I got the cell theroy becouse of maths not becous im nuts or cray its just maths

If you cant see this then i dont know how to word it or show it to you

Life is self replicating how els can i put that? its just we are so small im talking tiny on a mega scale we dont see it

tho this was not my quest im happy to share my findings

reply to post by theresult

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"Just like there is no infinity "becouse if there was" i would live forever.. "

infinity is an idea, that has to exist, its undeniable. I dont know if you realized it or not, but in a way, you do live on forever. There are 2 ways to look at it. The first being a physical/non-spiritual way, you are born from your parents (cells dividing), you get old and die (either because of disease, or because of old age/brain shutting down/being worn out) you get buried, your casket eventually decays, you are eaten by bugs/worms, they convert your body into energy for them, they poop/expel waste, that waste fills up the dirt, to be crushed into rocks, into diamonds, who know what else could happen. The second being spiritual, you are born, you die, you go to heaven (or hell) you live there for eternity. There is no denying that you, or fragments of you are going to be around forever, for infinity.

and by the way, Pi is not an odd number, its an irrational number, its neither odd, nor even

we've didnt think of math, we simply discovered it, if you see math as the language of the universe, and if we "thought of it" we are indeed gods.

i think the only way to get to a conclusive solution is to debate the idea, and im here to do just that, i want to debate about this, you said you were open to it, and so am I

reply to post by Hopup Dave

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I dont think i have that power to be realistic.. tho i do infact bash my poor spunge over this thing..

My question in life : why do we not get things we dont understand

My tool: Maths

Outcome : one can not use maths if one can and does not inclued himself into the claculation. for to be here is mathamatical is it not? "logic"

Reslut: Odd numbers are infact the reslut of our understanding of life

meaning: There is something big that i dont understand but i have a reason to belive that its DNA not maths a string "string theroy"

what is the string? or the dna? the elemental table !! this is use mapping the cell "DNA"

I just want to understand it sir not ask from what it came or how it came to be just to understand it and from that We as a race will understand infact what we are and why we are here..

Im crazy to think this but the universe put me here for a reason and im just doing what it wants and its asking me to understand it not question it.

Originally posted by iwishicould
reply to post by theresult

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"Just like there is no infinity "becouse if there was" i would live forever.. "

infinity is an idea, that has to exist, its undeniable. I dont know if you realized it or not, but in a way, you do live on forever. There are 2 ways to look at it. The first being a physical/non-spiritual way, you are born from your parents (cells dividing), you get old and die (either because of disease, or because of old age/brain shutting down/being worn out) you get buried, your casket eventually decays, you are eaten by bugs/worms, they convert your body into energy for them, they poop/expel waste, that waste fills up the dirt, to be crushed into rocks, into diamonds, who know what else could happen. The second being spiritual, you are born, you die, you go to heaven (or hell) you live there for eternity. There is no denying that you, or fragments of you are going to be around forever, for infinity.

and by the way, Pi is not an odd number, its an irrational number, its neither odd, nor even

we've didnt think of math, we simply discovered it, if you see math as the language of the universe, and if we "thought of it" we are indeed gods.

i think the only way to get to a conclusive solution is to debate the idea, and im here to do just that, i want to debate about this, you said you were open to it, and so am I

I do understand what you are saying and i agree alot with it.. but look at the facts i show

Maths as you state in your own comment is our understanding of the universe correct? so if we understand "parts" of it then befor us was maths "logical" becouse it was waiting for us to discover it yes?

i use discover as you do to try and explain why our concept of maths or the understanding of it is flawed

You cant apply maths if you dont understand it, so what i did is apply it to what is known and what we do understand and it shows that we are very wrong !!!

maths is wrong becouse we dont add the missing part US..
why do i say us? becouse without us there are not maths there is no nothing ...

That manes we are using something that is 2nd to the one and the one is the universe "see genese in your body" then you will understand what im trying to say here

Maths is numbers
the universe will use letters "another boggle"...

ying yang says equilibrium ok well if that is infact ture what is the yin yang in maths

is it 2 4 6 8 ?

is tha yang to this 3 5 7 9? and what about 1 and 0 ?

this is a very very hard thing to understand and i do thank you for trying just like me to understand this but 20 years i have questioned this

And from the "normal" maths and every other kind of thing we know i have came to this not becouse i wanted to its just there... and really it is threre

I will try to help you understand and i dont mean to come across like i know the questions to everything becouse i dont. Im not aggrant nore will i tell you, you are worng becouse all i can do is give my honest thoughts on something that i have questioned since i was small.

So i am greatfull for anyones imput

reply to post by iwishicould

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Pi is nor odd nor even and so is 3 ...

its the same thing sir.. you see 1 and 1 is 2 and 3 is the devied "much like a fractal"

In numercial terms 3 is indeed PI becouse its nor odd nor even just added on to the end for no reason that makes sens

Here is something for you

+1 To PI and see what happens and do you know why i ask + 1 to pi becouse the big part they missed out is the person asking the question and in maths as i understand it LOOP will make alot more sens to u

Just try it and post on what happens "i laughed alot" +1

Originally posted by iwishicould
reply to post by theresult

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sorry man, you really didnt prove anything. I'm not trying to go against what you are saying, its a legitimate theory, but thats all it is a theory. There is no reason to automatically think your "brain" is able to "cope" when ours cant. Me and my buddies thought that the whole universe was an atom on the tip of another beings' fingernail, or in another beings' eye, and thats when we were ten. All I'm saying is, if you are willing to defend your "realization" you need to think about it more.

I'm going to keep reading so I can add more to my reply...

"infinity also a odd number" - infinity is not an odd number, its not even a number, whatever number you could say it is, its that plus/multiplied, by that number, its unimaginable

you say you want to show us how you arrived at some given conclusion, when all you really did was guess? like Unknown said, how did you get to 3. How did you decide that we are in a cell? If you purely went on a "dividing" idea, then couldnt we be on bacteria? or we could even be on a asexual beast, that keeps cloning itself?

I want to know how you actually got to this idea, even in your native language, i'll translate it, i dont care, i want to know, because now its either a joke topic, or a topic from a wacko until there is some actual understandability behind all of it.

want to know how you actually got to this idea, even in your native language, i'll translate it, i dont care, i want to know, because now its either a joke topic, or a topic from a wacko until there is some actual understandability behind all of it.

This is the part i like : )

Oh you want to know how i got to were i am? Ok well being alive helps then living for 20 years asking who am i and how do i calculate..

You see I diggg maths i love it but then again its very wrong becouse it cant give me what i want to understant in the order of things and i never knew why i could not calculate me or you why we are here!! there must be a mathimatical formula to this right? maths is like my god here TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO KNOW and its not telling me sh1t... not a word why? becouse im not asking the right question?? Huuhh yea question so do you know what i did

I questioned MATHS yep I QUESTIONED MATHS i said well hey little mofo if u wanna abuse me and make my head spin then well FU!!! lol

ok well it didnt go like that but it felt like it...

I just used maths becouse its logical to all of us but the more i used looked and an obsirved it it became more elogical to me.. it looped alot it had symmitry.. and thats not what im after.. "cell theory" i wanted to undertand the odd part of life "the crayz bit" ..

How i got this idea? well it took 20 years and im sure it will take 20 more.. but how i got here is just applying MATHS to the very very fxd upness we are in and the outcome was the cell ...

In maths this is how i worked it out

I am here = 1 the universe made me = 1 the sume is me asking a question regardless of what the question was =1

three, like i said befor I cant do maths if im not here and i am so that is a constant or a number becouse me being here is also a mathamatical equations and yes it came from the universe..but for me not to factor that into me understanding my past "the calculation" will endin total stupidness hence why we dont understand jack shsit

no us = no anything
us = maths
maths = our understanding

we NEED to add us into MATHS or it will always be WRONG

reply to post by theresult

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send the explanation in your native language, to my u2u, this is seriously frustrating me

you should look up numerology

also if you look for patterns, you will find them all around you, everywhere, try it look for the number 6, you will find it everywhere, then look for another random number, again you'll find it everywhere

and you being 20 years old doesnt matter at all, im pretty sure you didnt think of this when you were 5, come on man, start making sense, why are you doing this to the ats community?

reply to post by iwishicould

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Im english

*I cant talk or show how i feel like shakespear.. im sorry I just cant

My english sucks becouse i cant undertand it.. simple realy

I do try to show or communicate with otheres here to the best i can
and the maths is important becous tho my english is crap my understanding of maths is not..

I take both maths logic history and scicence into one path ..

I know this is hard for many to understand "let alone how i type"...
but i do try and its from the heart.. how i understand life

I wish i was being some hoax or some nutty guy trying to sell books but im not.. and yes its been 20 years for me and im 27.. i dont pretend to be smarter than anyone or want to say that i am becouse thats not my nature as a person..

I have tried to understand who i am, what am i in?

I cant give everyone what they want to hear i can just give what i understand using the tools we all do.. and i wanted to use maths. why? i dont realy know i guess.. maybe becouse its proof?? or i wanted something real.. i mean i read and look at all the things you guys do but at the same time this had been my quest in life.. why?? that big quetion and i didnt want to be made out to be a nutt or a wacko and thats why i used maths..

A poster said befor how did i get to my maths?

That was the biggest thing every for me i guess understanding maths is not being smart at maths.. i was always good AT maths but understanding it is philisoiphyacal i guess becouse you question maths.. i know that seems realy crazy but i dunno it seemed like a logical step to me.

so i had maths as my tool and i didnt understand it "and i still dont realy" but one thing i do know is this

If in maths we "as humans" descovered it" or whatever then it came befor us right? so that means we are the same thing

A mathimatical equation ?

You see i think maths alot here at this point, if im a just a out come "odd number" and i am myself making a caclucaltion on the universe im missig a part of the maths

Me?

why not me? universe + me + sum = outcome ??

I dont know if i posted that correct but i know me and you are very much missing in maths

Like i said befor im not trying to say im god or whatever or trying to undertand the meaning of life becouse im not.. im just here to understand the thing we are in

and i think so far im doing a good job

reply to post by iwishicould

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I know but sometimes i hit walls alot..

I could realy list alot of crap you would not even read becouse its boring..

Im honestly trying to do this is a simple way becouse im simple im not a phd im not educated in that way..

I just have took the time the question to observe live alot.. i am on both sides of a very big fence!!

I watch life and try to understand it not belive what i see but listen and record what others are telling me..

Maths is the same thing, we use maths as our base guid to the universe or the understanding of it..

You see the reason i use maths is becouse no one can debunk it ~

even tho as i show maths debubks itself lol :<<



[edit on 15-12-2008 by theresult]

Originally posted by theresult
reply to post by Poet Of Deception

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Yes !! and thats how i get to were i am now! using the very tools we all use or have used to get to this point.

I am just applying one of them "maths" some may use some kind of art or spirit or something of that nature to expand on the only real understand on ones reality

And life is very real or things would not be the way they are as me and you both see them.. ie the things you list.

One can only go on the things from the past. like talking adding up and theoriesing things.. making it happen or proving its the case is another matter

even stephen hawkings understands that

Again...

What i am trying to say is do not rely on these theories as it can create an assumption such as this one!

reply to post by Hopup Dave

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Dave,

You're on the right track when you speak of an observer. I'm glad you brought this up. Personally I'm not sure if this is something that science can really point its finger at and say that this is the way that it works. Quantom physics should be taken with a grain of salt. What I mean is that I am a different observer than you are. What kind of an impact would this have? I believe there are far more factors than most people will admit actually exist in terms of math and science. Does everything have a mathematical formula? The definition of PROOF involves BELIEF. That's what people should keep in mind. Also, as far as one person gaining all knowledge of this life (alive or dead) I don't think it seems logical for countless reasons. I think God is our creator and he is the only one that truly knows all of the answers and if you disagree then I still feel that if one person ever claimed to know everything or see into the future or what not they would still only know a fraction of what really goes on in life. Even if he left everybody a message from beyond the grave in attempts to prove that he was right he would still lack a certain knowledge. You can connect the dots in your head and make sense to yourself but that's about it.

Anyways I wanted somebody to give me their thoughts on percentages if they don't mind. Yes/No does 100% even exist? Can we really say for sure that percentages exist if we can only predict future occurances? Even if we talk about the past is there 100% chance that the past can not and never will be altered or is there a possibility that we have been consecutively wrong about everything that we don't think twice about? Is there even such thing as a right answer if an answer is something that you decide to believe in?

I know, I'm crazy

Originally posted by theresult
reply to post by vasaga

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Infinity is only trying to think of something so big u give up.. well i dont give up and i like to understand things in a logical way

Might be true, but the thing is, that "bigness" has no end. A little is example.

What is 1/3 = ??

Yeah the answer is 0.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

And no matter how many more 3s i put behind it, it's never complete. That's infinity, right there for you. It's not because it'very big. It's because it has no end.

reply to post by theresult

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im sorry Result, but by you saying your 27 (and you've been working on this question since you were 7!?!?! yeah right) and your typing, and grammer skills (not even typing, its the repeated spelling errors, and the insane sentance structure). there is no possible way that a 27 year old person, having the sentance structure that you do, and who blatently refuses to give the reason he came to B from A (even if the sentence structure is completely horrible) could ever come to this conclusion. It frustrates me beyond belief that you have a topic still afloat, when the OP refuses to tell others anything about it, apart from that hes right. you sir are the empotime of psycho-babble.

if you are english, which you claim to be, then how in the hell can you speak/write so horribly???? The only way that you could honestly be english, and write this bad, is if you were 3 years old.

why are you playing with us?

reply to post by pretty_vacant

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Originally posted by pretty_vacant
how immense

i love your theory!!
kudos



my apologies, i haven't read the entire thread thus far, just wanting to know how you consider theories brought forward by quantum physics?? Such as the String theory, Holographic Universe etc...

[edit on 13/12/08 by pretty_vacant]

I am assuming you were talking to me. String theory cannot be verified without an observant therefore can not be verified. However, life is dependent on the model which is called the Golden Ratio also represented in the mandelbrot set, therefore we are GOD. the reason people believe that GOD is infinite is just that. WE ARE GOD. coCREATORS of the Universe and together we make one. the meaning behind the NWO is not to promote that we are one, but rather put that fact in front of our faces and persuade us to deny it.

WE ARE ONE!
"
The dollar bill has "GOD" "in GOD we TRUST" above the word "ONE".

WE ARE ONE and we are GOD!!!!!!

God did always exist because GOD is as infinite as infinite as time itself. Time is the illusion. WE are all one!

Whether we are a part of a lung or a foot is beyond me. The original post was 100% absolutely correct!

If you don't understand infinite. You do not understand a GOD DAMN thing!!!!!

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