Are we in something that is ALIVE??

reply to post by Divinorumus

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Untill something hits you in the nads then it all becomes very real

I don't think you quite understood my post... One person created, language, science, maths etc...

We are living our lives based around a couple of peoples ideas and theories!

It is only because we learnt the theories of the people who created the subjects that we comprehend what we, see, hear and act out.

Can you understand where i am coming from...


[edit on 14-12-2008 by Poet Of Deception]

reply to post by Poet Of Deception

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Yes !! and thats how i get to were i am now! using the very tools we all use or have used to get to this point.

I am just applying one of them "maths" some may use some kind of art or spirit or something of that nature to expand on the only real understand on ones reality

And life is very real or things would not be the way they are as me and you both see them.. ie the things you list.

One can only go on the things from the past. like talking adding up and theoriesing things.. making it happen or proving its the case is another matter

even stephen hawkings understands that

If you think about it...

Everything is alive. Everything that you see or experience is all a part of you. That's all it comes down to. So we aren't inside something that's alive, nor is there anything inside of us that is alive. Life is alive.

The point that I'm trying to make goes hand in hand with the concept that your life is what you make out of it. If you have a good attitude about everything then it doesn't seem so bad.

Say that it's impossible to prove to somebody that something does not exist. Say that nothing is actually alive or dead. There isn't such thing as a fact. Scientists have similar beleifs but they don't all believe in the same exact stuff. Why do you think that is? They decide what they want to believe in, based off of what they're able to perform tests on or predict will come true or what ever else. Evidence is what people use to try to persuade somebody that they're right.

What do you believe in? Arguing won't get you anywhere, you can't completely control another person even if you are able to alter the way that they think or introduce them to your beleifs. They're responsible for their actions just like you are for yours. I believe it's important to respect other people's opinions but that's all that can really be said. It's nice that everybody isn't in agreement with each other or things would get boring pretty quickly. So make the best out of your life before you die. Nobody really knows if everything that happens or everything that you're reading is REAL or ALIVE or not. It's best not to give up since you can't prove anything unless you're talking about proving something to yourself. Why fall victim to what other people believe in when you can be yourself? You don't know if you've been lied to your entire life or if you can actually impact on anything that goes on around you or not. What's stopping you?

Am I making sense?

reply to post by theresult

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I'm curious how you entered yourself into the equation. What mathematical formula do you use for life, or you as an individual?

Science takes great pains to eliminate the observer from experiments and formulas and that leaves out one of the prime ingredients in the Theory of Everything. Everything cannot be determined if something is left out.

If the purpose of the universe is to generate life then life (the observer) has to be factored in. If the universe has no purpose (it just happened), then why does observation affect the very basis of everything (quantum particles)?

5 thousand years ago the Yogis became aware of the quantum field by meditating (going within the mind). They called the it the "dance of Shiva" (the vibrating sub-atomic soup from which the material universe arises). 5 thousand years later western science discovered the same thing through mathematics.

If you have found a way to include the observer in a mathematical formula, you may have the key to the Theory of Everything!

reply to post by Hopup Dave

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Well, I see I posted the above reply after theresults said he did not use mathematics to come to a conclusion, so my question above is moot!
this then becomes a philosophical conclusion.

The birth of the universe and it's growth and development can be equated to the birth of a living thing. And that comes back to my previous post, which , condensed, says life is the way the universe becomes self-aware.

reply to post by theresult

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You are not crazy but a indept thinker.

There are so many possiblities out there.

For all we know we could be a cell on a flea on the back of a dog.

Some American Indians believe that the earth herself is alive and we literally are fleas on her back?

As long as you have a humble heart and a open mind the possiblities are endless and no one human yet has reached the point of "knowing it all".

Excellent post. Very insightful.

I respect anyone that can post in a language other then their own "mother tongue". I wish I could post in another language other than English.

Well done.

[edit on 14-12-2008 by ofhumandescent]

I see on some post from the op he spoke about gaps between big and small, like a quarantine zone, a restriction.

Instantly I connected it with a thing called "the event horizon". Used by Nassim Haramein in his work, and very relative to that he with his team made a scaling law paper that I found very interesting, I think you all in here might do the same: ScalingLaw Paper



The work this man conducts connect to what's being discussed in here.
Fractality is essence.

Btw, I love this thread and I love you all. Keep the discussion alive. Relative to me it's an important topic.

reply to post by theresult

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infinity is not a constant, it doesnt start, and it doesnt end at any point (lets not forget negative numbers Result), infinity extends onwards from every single number. I can see how infinity would fit into your theory, if it was true, it would be the binding fabric that would connect everything together.

i understand that the logical point to things are not always the right ways. but i still dont understand how you got to the point that your at now. Why didnt you use 1 (0 should be remarked as an even number, not an odd)? Why cant you explain, in detail, why you added yourself to the 1+1?

Also did you think about using variables to represent the odd-even numbers? A=odd B=even, which brings me to another question. Why didnt you use even numbers?? (A+A=B, B+B=B, but A+B=A) It seems to me that the even numbers are even more important.

Another thought on infinity - you could think of Inifinity (represented as "Z") as the opposite of 0. Thus - 0+0=0, Z+Z=Z, 0+Z=Z, it seems to me that infinity has the same properties as an even number not as an odd. (i dont even want to get into multiplacation 0 multiplied by Z wouldnt be 0 or Z, it would be a never ending struggle between nothing and everything)

reply to post by xseanxxxthomasx

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You make alot of sens sir and i understand what it is you are saying.. but please to understand what im trying to prove here

I am using what we all know to prove infact what we do know is a load of crap

you see the tools we use are totaly WRONG why? well im flawed as a human thats a good starting point..

seeing me in this is helping me understand why it is we are so wrong.. looking in the mirror so to speak..

But then Is what it think/theories wrong? well i guess it is becouse what im useing to prove is wrong.. but that gives me the answer i was looking for

We do live in a dream world we do indeed do not understand but not understading is still a good result to the question for now..

Its hard to put into words what im trying to say here but its very long very complex and very simple..

We dont need to know were we came from we just need to understand what we are in.. and that will get us to the big question WHAT ARE WE.. or why?

Im just using the tools from the history of life just the same as everyone but im not going to use some from i dont understand nore anyone im going to show you and prove to you MATHS as a system is flawed.. VERY Flawed and the reason for that flaw is US becouse maths is OUR DNA not the universes DNA

If you understanding what im saying then cool if you dont.. well i cant help but only try to put it into words one can

the word use to be flat, im telling you the universe is indeed a living thing

Does that seem crazy? well i say to you LOOK AROUND its all about you, you are just so small you cant see it...or want to accept it

There is no infinity.. there is HUGE yes but not infinity and do you know why?

becouse i see the ends and starts of everything! we LIVE in something that is alive and what do we see? LOOPS .. thats what we see understand becouse we are the outcome of something that is not logical so we will see that is the oopisit "ying yang"..

like i said befor MATHS is our YING what is its YANG? understand?

follow it in all truth in all your heart use what is to be ture on itself and you will find out that infact its not all its seems..

art of war., well i guess so im useing all we know as my weapon and the outcome ? ,,,, mm strange to say the least

Very logical and can be proven in maths and in nature and any other book you choose to hit me with.. why do i say that? BECOUSE I READ EM

Nice analogy. theresult, i don't know if you heard of Nassim Haramein, but i KNOW you will find his theories mind blowing. You can check his videos out here.. But beware.. They are both 4 hours long.. So it's a presentation that takes 8 hours in total, but it's worth it.

Part 1:

Google Video Link

Part 2:

Google Video Link

[edit on 14-12-2008 by vasaga]

ahh ok someone with a maths question "may i add the only one so far"

right well lets see here you main question is how did i get to the me + whatever in this thing.. here i state again...

In detail i may add "just for you"

In maths we have things that are called numbers that a are a mesurment of something "anything" one wants to apply them to ok?

1 is a constant ? what is a constant it means PI in layman terms hence the oddness it can be "a fractal" if you that way incleined..

Now for me to get to 1+1 = 3 took me a very VERY long time here in understanding WHAT I AM..

What am i? In maths? I am a result "HENCE MY NAME" of a calculation of the universe

find that hard to calculate well i did for about 20 years untill i came to the point if we indeed used maths to understand the universe then why the hell am i not IN the maths i mean WE THOUGHT OF IT RIGHT??? so therfor we are apart of the very same calculation we are indeed calcualting weather you choose to see it or not we are BECOUSE WE ARE THE ONES DOING THE MATHS...

So why does this boggle my brain? well becouse i want to know the equation behind maths or us or why we are here..

Dont you find it odd we can come up with the most complex mathatmatics but yet we can not calculate why or how we got here? mulit dimensions and all that is but yet can not ask in mathamatical terms why we are here???

you see friend sir we can not becouse we leave out a very BIG part of maths....

ME AND YOU thats why its flawed and thats why we me and you are the odd numbers and like i said i dont know why i dont care who is god or what we live in i just want to understand IT that we are IN and from my time on earth just the same as you.. i used maths on itself to understand elogic and the reason we have PI or 3 5 7 9 and its becouse we are here up to now.. i know thats not a real answer or anything special it just is..

Just like there is no infinity "becouse if there was" i would live forever..

a star would not blow up a leaf would not shrivvel a

There is an end and a start YOUR JUST SO SMALL YOU DO NOT SEE THE END OR THE START YOU ONLY SEE THE "growth" aka THE loop or pi or odd numbers..

Im happy to debate anyone on this becouse the tools i have used are the very same things that sent man to the moon and enable you to use this forum sir

its just a matter of applying and asking the right question!

reply to post by vasaga

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yep iv seen all of it "all 8 hours" totaly mind numbing but still one question i ask

fractals are what? what is it ? what is he trying to tell me there is some never ending pattern?? oh wow well guess what i can see that in life all the time..

You see what we understand as loops "fractals" is very very real and why is that?

Becouse we life inside that is self replicating!! how can we not see loops or infinity??? lol

Do you see what im trying to say here? WE only see patterns becouse we are inside one.. self replicating

Infinity? mm i have toiled with this alot and right now i dont think there is one, tho i do think is something is so very massive and we are so very small one will think of it that way when infact its not so..

If you look at genes in the body that controll every single cell in ones body it does indeed have a CAP.. that is were string theory comes into play

the Theroy of stings is that everything is linked in some kinda bizar guitar type string that vibrates on a level "crayz i know" but thats the basics and if you think about DNA its the same thing

the is and must be a big connecting bond within our inverse/outverse "conid" and thus giving us some kind of DNA and its not maths, maths is only our understanding.. its not THE universe !!!

we came from the universe we cant understand that part yet "even i dont really" but what i do want to understand is that we are in a loop just like PI there IS a IP

reply to post by Hopup Dave

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Yes it is sir and you are looking at it..

Not me tho im nothing more than an outcome but yes the universe is indeed looking and looping on itself

becouse its growing!

I dont understand it all and never will but i do and will undertand this part

why we are here "in maths" or the use of it.. or the understanding of the odd numbers "quatom phyisics" ect

its realy hard for me to say what i am and i understand there are so many crackpot ideas out there that i can not try to understand but trust me on this im just a normal guys who since he was seven asked the same question we all asked.. why the hell are we here and why "i dont need to add aliens or anything here" but the question has always burnt in me to asky why? and i used the only thing i could and that was maths...

to understand how i use maths was hard for me and you reading what im trying to say..

what i did is very simple and not logical to someone who does not understand maths..

Maths is a tool for us to understand very complex things but i wanted infact something inside me said this is very very wrong..

why do i ask what i am?? why do i seek a question i cant prove or even want to? do i want to post on ats just to be told im crazy? i dont know i guess but i felt it was worth posting it becouse for me its nothing "cell theroy" it just so happenss i came across it becouse i was on another path and my path was trying to understand odd numbers or PI and im not closer to that but im trying to understand it the best way i can and atleast give people my view

My theroy is just that a theory its not correct its not right its just how i see things using the tool we all know...

If i am wrong then what you know what i know is all wrong .. why? becouse i read books i read things that is "mainstream" normal i understand maths and what it is..

I just used it outside the box - outside the box means i added me to the equations

I shall show you what i mean

1+1 = 2 or one apple plus another apple = 2 apples

this is very correct in maths we all agree here yes?

now lets apply us to this why? well becouse im alive silly..

Im the guy holding the apples / im the guy telling you i have apples to addup!!

hence (1+1) me doing the maths.. and my outcome? well its the question i asked "becouse i know i had 2 apples becouse i cant do the math if it dont know the outcome ; )" = 3

u see my point? for every question we ask in MATHS withought us being in it we will get the answer we asked for .. you cant calculate that what one can not

And we are indeed trying to caluclate the universe and we dont understand it = odd numbers / infinity / any other mind blowing thing you want to think about

thats becouse maths is a patten and loop selfreplicating and the universe IS NOT its a living thing that will DIE or DEVIED we are just in the middle :|

Long twisted hard to understand but i hope that helps!

Result, you still fail to properly explain it. I dont know if your not explaining it, or your just not communicating it effectively (hence, why i told you to type it in your native language, and i would translate it)

how old are you? you keep referring to having worked for 20 years on this idea, and i highely doubt that you have actually worked for 20 years on it, you atleast would've mentioned the golden ratio by now. I want to understand you, more than you think. Its just hard to understand what you are talking about (I beleive that I'm more than smart enough to understand what you are talking about, so stupidity is out of the question) when the communication isnt to well.

can you please put write in your native language, what you are trying to explain? if you dont i'm just going to dismiss this as mindless babble.

reply to post by theresult

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If we are in one (which seems logical), then it's not impossible for what we are in, to be in something else etc. So there could be an infinity of life building up so to speak. It could be a cell within a cell within a cell etc. Or a universe within a universe within a universe and so on.

reply to post by MakeSoap

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You are 100% right ...As above so below....The Psychiatrist was crazy he is trying to heal himself

reply to post by Hopup Dave

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Science takes great pains to eliminate the observer from experiments and formulas and that leaves out one of the prime ingredients in the Theory of Everything. Everything cannot be determined if something is left out.

i posted this twice for a reason!!

Read what you are saying here.. why take out the most important part of any calculation "the one doing it"..??

Then lets think about your other question how or why did i imput myself

or the mathamatics behind it.. You see If we are all based on maths that many will argue is the key to our understand or the language of the universe..

ask this? Who calculated you~? are you just a number in the outcome of some mathatmatical equation??? yes you are becouse if you understand maths then MATHS came befor humans got here correct? "we descover it" or its "properites" ie numbers ect.. you see now why add me to the equatiion??

Becouse im just a result of the maths the universe calculated and we are doing the same but we miss or leave out the "us" part thus giving rise to all the odd crap we see loops infinity things we dont understand..

Its hard to get your head round it and but its very very logical and can be proven with all we have as evidence..

Im not here to tell you im god or tell u i understand life more than anyone but im here to share what many others do.. the UNDERSTANDINGA of life and what it is they think they are in

And im telling you we are in something alive and thats the reason for pattens.. the oddness is US or "event horizon" as another poster put it

we are the POINT of small and BIG meet ... we see both