I'm not surprised at all.

Neither am I surprised that your media isn't reporting this.

I'm not even slightly surprised that the vast majority of Americans either don't know this, don't understand it or just don't care.

I won't be surprised when you all wake up handcuffed, blindfolded and with serial numbers tattooed on you.

No one in America seems to actually be doing ANYTHING about this.

The gay people organized protests for the right to say "I do", there have been protests by thousands against the corrupt cult of Scientology.
And yet, the majority of Americans (millions of people) can't be bothered to even converse properly and organize a protest when they are being blatantly robbed blind by their own government.

I truly despair at your complete lack of foresight and energy, it's as if you've all been neutered!
No wonder all of this has happened, you've allowed it to through disinterest, futility and complacency.

Im from Canada, So tell me what can be done and is it really the Government? or is it the rich folk playing a game like off the movie "Trading Places" ?

Who is getting the final $ ? This is really the Bizillion $ question

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I thought the FED was a private entity anyway (banking cartel), rustling up money out of thin air and lending it to the US government, at interest of course.

As such, are they even covered by the FOIA at all?

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Wow, please tell me you really don't believe what you just typed. That is a big ole lie.

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I think it might have to do with protecting their worthless stocks. If investors knew they needed to get bailed out they would lose confidence in the stock and sell, leading to a crash in the markets. I say release the reports, we don't need another enron.

A revolt is immanent. That's why there are preparations for troops on US soil and detainment camps at the ready. A national police force is also being prepared by the next administration by using the youth in mandatory service.

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There is more truth to cindy's post than you realize.
"How fortunate for the gov't that it's people do not think" This refers to the majority that believed the garbage the news media was feeding them via the government spokespersons.
There a few of us that see right through this charade of bailouts.

LOL! We already have another Enron

Wanna know my crazy conspiracy theory? (Since I am posting here anyway..)
I feel as though the United States was overtaken by the banking cartels almost 100 years ago and the country I live in today should not be called the United States of America. I feel as though the sheer brilliance in the plan almost deserves these trillions of dollars. Here is what you do...
1. Take an up and coming country with vast natural resources
2. Use your banks and wealth to buy off politicians one by one
3. Use your newly purchased politicians to draft legislation to make you the sole banker for the entire country
4. Print the only "legal" currency for the entire country to use - at interest!
5. Keep the whole damn thing a secret. Stay out of the spotlight, make the bank look like a government entity, encourage a two-party system while using purchased politicians on 'both sides of the aisle' to control and oscillate the power and distribution of wealth.
6. Make sure the populace is comfortable and content in fighting eachother as one.

The important part of all this is to stay out of the spotlight, to keep all internal workings of the bank secret, and to make sure the people are content with their government. There are a lot of very popular names that seem to be missing from the Forbes lists of wealthiest people, I'll tell you that.

The only things that lead to the fall of any aristrocracy are:
- Breach of secrecy leading to information disclosure to the people (aka Knowledge)
- An angry populace

Well, it was a good run, but times are tough and the big bank is trying to save face. All Americans should be prepared to take back their country and restore it to a free, independent government by the people and for the people.

We MUST no longer tolerate fighting amongst ourselves over principles that affect the very few and distract us from the ones pulling the strings! We Americans feel 'just' and 'right' and think that we are on the side of 'good' when we are focusing so much energy on fighting wars overseas! Why do 'bad guys' want to kill Americans? To pressure us to get out of their homeland! If we stopped using the funny money that is paying for all these wars abroad, we could focus on things like education, science and infrastructure. Through that we would be an independent nation again.

The more I look at it, the more I feel we are acting like the 'bad guys' on the world stage - and I don't like it. Where is the country that I had learned about in school? You know the one... it encouraged the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Not the one that values the one with the most toys when they die wins.

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I couldn't have said it better.
Wake up America! The people of other developed countries see and laugh at us now.
America is on the verge of becoming powerless.
Who works in the food service industry? the gas stations? the internet support rooms? etc etc? NOT americans. We've been driven to unemployment.

Saw an article the says unemployment spike has occurred and they don't know why. HUH?. Is the news media that stupid? They are reporting mass lay-offs and don't know why there has been a rise in unemployment claims.

To support nydsdan in the previous post...
Here is proof of what the "bankers mentality" is all about.

BANKERS MANIFESTO
We (the bankers) must proceed with caution and guard every move made, for the lower order of people are already showing signs of restless commotion. Prudence will therefore show a policy of apparently yielding to the popular will until our plans are so far consummated that we can declare our designs without fear of any organized resistance.

Organizations in the United States should be carefully watched by our trusted men, and we must take immediate steps to control these organizations in our interest or disrupt them.

At the coming Omaha convention to be held July 4, 1892, our men must attend and direct its movement or else there will be set on foot such antagonism to our designs as may require force to overcome.

This at the present time would be premature. We are not yet ready for such a crisis. Capital must protect itself in every possible manner through combination (conspiracy) and legislation.

The courts must be called to our aid, debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible.

When, through the process of law, the common people have lost their homes,
they will be more tractable and easily governed through the influence of the strong arm
of the government applied to a central power of imperial wealth under the control of the leading financiers.

People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. History repeats itself in regular cycles. This truth is well known among our principal men who are engaged in forming an imperialism of the world. While they are doing this, the people must be kept in a state of political antagonism.

The question of tariff reform must be urged through the organization known as the Democratic Party, and the question of protection with the reciprocity must be forced to view through the Republican Party.

By thus dividing voters, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us, except as teachers to the common herd. Thus, by discrete actions, we can secure all that has been so generously planned and successfully accomplished.




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It makes you wonder at times just how 'real' is the possibility that through media saturation and environmental toxins we are 'allowed' to be exposed to, have we actually been 'repressed' as a community.

Seems unlikely, but it is also unlikely that 300 million Americans can all simultaneously be 'asleep at the wheel' so to speak.

There are many reasons why wealth is siphoned from the America's into the coffers of the International Bank Cartels vaults. But right now, it seems as if it would suffice to say, it's tradition.

Where is the wealth, where did the money go? What exactly is it they hold against our productivity as a means to justify that it should not be in the 'hands of the people?' Do such elitists truly exist that actually hold themselves as superior entities over us, and we are merely here to produce for their benefit?

We spend most of our live living according to indoctrination - work for your comfort. Yet they excise huge chunks of our wealth into their own pockets - and we cannot oversee, demand redress, or even challenge the practice.

It is as if it were supposed to be this way - according to their 'governance'. Hopefully I am only being paranoid when I say I fear that eventually a new meme will be inserted asserting that ...,

Dissent = Terror.

Resistance to governance is crime. And only the elite are entitled to determine the direction mankind will go. Mankind is the heard. THEY are the owners, and those clever enough to seize the opportunity to serve them will have power over the rest of us; keeping us divided amongst ourselves with petty contrivances such as the tone of our skin or whether or not we privately believe a certain creed.

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Just want to reinterate to all past and present Obama bashers... "ALL THIS MADNESS HAS MANIFESTED ITSELF UNDER THE SKILLFULL WATCH OF GEORGE W. BUSH".

So don't try to slide this massive problem over to Obama as Bush sneeks out the back door. Bush is the culprit and will always be, no matter how you justify it.


Talk about a slowball bag of "fecal matter" slung into the faces of the fools that endorsed this clown for 8 years... And the crazy thing is, these are the ones that are loosing their skirts & shirts!

I say let it all greedy Corps fall to the ground to teach them a lesson.

what a great motivator for the american public to continue paying income taxes...i think it makes more sense for the government to somehow credit the public with funds to directly repay delinquent/default loans so WE can see where the money is going. wouldnt that solve the problem at the core of it? But instead the govt is bailing companies who came crying to daddy(uncle sam) that the bullies stole their christmas bonus and they need more money to stay afloat, and we, the terrible thieving debtors, are left to fatten these cows even more with the disgusting interest rates and late fees they tease us with, having no break at all from this #ing mess of an economy...makes me sick to my stomach.

and uh...what he said.

Brilliant Maxmars. Thank you.

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This is EXACTLY what has become of our lives.

We are sheep and cattle to these power lusters and insatiable greed-mongers, and that is ALL we are to them.

And our entire system, from kindergarten through college, is an indoctrination, as well as all manner of stimulus from TV and movies.

They "guide" us into this reality, where we all chug along doing what we've been told to do, and are taught that this "system" is "normal", and railing against it somehow is horrible, and makes us "outcasts" and "loonies" that need to be ridiculed and put away!

It is a misdirectional form of slavery, that has been carefully crafted and perpetuated under our noses, just subtle enough to keep us from questioning as a whole. But it is there to anyone who pays close attention.

And now, with the flagrancy of this large scale extortional scheme, people in LARGE numbers are starting to awaken to what has been being done to them, and by whom.

The people that are behind this are indeed VERY powerful, and they are currently pulling all the strings, but they forget one thing:

We outnumber them a million to one.

They can establish their martial law, and throw many of us into their detainment camps. But it is in the very heart, and the very CORE of human nature to be FREE. And as much as we have been indoctrinated to believe, we are NOT FREE at this time. We are under the rule and control of some very twisted individuals, who can take everything from us, and not be impeded whatsoever in doing so. But with each day, and each consecutive grotesquery mitigated upon us as a whole, people ARE awakening. And eventually, enough will be awake that no matter what types of threats and actions they take, they will not be able to oppress us all anymore.

I look forward to that day. Where once again, the principle of this nation---That ALL men are created equal, is the rule, and no longer the exception.

We have so many enormous tests ahead of us, but I feel that once everyone has fully awoken and is moved enough to act, we will see our world change. It is long overdue.

Level X;

With all due respect, you are free to dwell on such a position, if it comforts you. But I might be more inclined to agree that in fact, Bush is irrelevant.

The facts are that it happened under the watchful eyes ( ) of the entire world.

Our problem transcends national boundaries and we must be prepared to face that fact or we will never be rid of this human infection of greed and self-delusion of grandeur. The heart of the matter is that we allowed the governance of our respective nation states to become monopolized by a cohesive group of self-serving sociopaths.

I don't mean sociopath in the sense of Hanibal Lechter or Son of Sam, I mean sociopath as in an actual cultural syndrome which is destructive to the whole. These people, we generalize and call them 'elites' are quite literally in all political parties, all ideological 'centers', and of most consequence currently, in all sectors of financial control.

The fact that they have effectively infiltrated the governing bodies and institutions of the world is easily revealed, if one but look at the dots as they connect. This has nothing to do with Republican Administration vs. Democrat Administration, or liberal vs. conservative. Such ideologies, vague as they are, are all negotiable, in true political form.

The Bush family is notoriously well entrenched within the social group that has 'taken over'. But to target them specifically is short-sighted and will not contribute to the solution of the problem.

We have few choice than can be examined in a forum such as this, but i would generalize them into the domain of attempting to rest control of the government from these people, or remove the desirability to pursue governance as a means to achieve their apparent objectives.

By your post, I can see you expect much from the change in administration. Good luck with that. Historically, the odds aren't with us.

But that's OK, I think America can surprise even herself sometimes. Not everyone is asleep.

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Doug Gaveld,

Thank you, you are most kind.

DD,

Excellent thread. (as usual).

I believe that the truth must be spoken to power. That aspect of resistance to this corruption cannot falter.

I think we need to teach our children how to think. If we let them do it, this could go on for a long while.

I say fight fire with fire.

Get 1 million Americans to each file a 2 trillion return on taxes. Just count it off as a charitable donation to the federal government.

After all isn't that what this is charity to a bunch of idiots that have no idea how we got into this mess trying to line the pocket books before we as a country lose everything?

As far as I'm concerned this is nothing but a forced charitable donation to the entities that now obviously control our government financially. If it wasn't we would have full disclosure of what it's going for and whom.

If you had a large portion of the people do this it would be forced into the media around the world and really raise some red flags both in and outside the government.

I'm at the point of thinking state run currency is better than this and I thought I would never say that but as of right now it just seems the only logical step.

A state run currency I don't believe is taxable by the feds (anyone know if I'm correct in that assumption?) If it was then you could just pay them with the state currency they taxed and they would have no use for it unless they wanted to come to your state and spend it at a mom and pop store. Keeping it within the state when they did that so in fact it would just promote growth within each state.

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The Fed doesn't pay taxes.The IRS collects taxes for them.The taxes they collect help keep our loan interest paid.Everybody in the government is scared of the fed,because they hold all the cards.