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posted by mike dangerously
SPreston it looks like a missle impact or a demoliton charge. If it were jet fuel wolud there not be darker smoke?
Guns and Butter broadcast with Dave von Kleist interviewing April Gallup. There was an explosion and she crawled out from E-Ring through the hole onto the Pentagon lawn. She saw no jet fuel and nobody burned with jet fuel. She and her baby boy were about 35-45 feet from the alleged impact hole and no jet fuel was splashed on them. What happened to the huge infernos and fuel-air explosions inside which allegedly incinerated all the aircraft parts and engines and wheel hubs and baggage and seats?
Guns and Butter April Gallup - audio live testimony
But then comes the money shot! “Back home, Donley called a friend at Gannett, (oops,) a company that owns newspapers across the country (yes, we know.) He told her his story and that he had taken photos. Gannett bought his photos (how much?) and made them available to 100 papers across the country. ‘I never saw them in print, so I have no idea who used them,’ he said.”
(Well actually Daryl, nobody used them. Apparently, Gannett bought and then sat on the biggest 9-11 visual scoop of the nascent century.)
stevenwarran.blogspot.com...
posted by mike dangerously
Hurm,I need a to see what exactly a wall breaching kit is if it's what I am guessing it is then you would need a large amount of C-4 and planted explosives in the Pentagon.
The Rapid Wall Breaching Kit (RWBK) is a portable wall-breaching tool used for a variety of heavy breaching missions. The system is comprised of the following:
M18 Detonator Assembly (2)
M81 Initiator (2)
Re-bar Cutter
Propstick and support
Instruction Sheet
Charge Bag
Silhouette
Explosive Charge Assembly
M19 Initiation System
M9 Bunch Block
www.ebaerospaceanddefense.com...
posted by ipsedixit
I know this doesn't prove anything but we do have Rummy's slip of the tongue when he referred to a "missile (inaudible)" at the Pentagon. We also have the presence of the C-130 and the Doomsday plane in the area at the time of the incident, both potential participants in guiding the flight of a missile.
As has often been said in these forums, the devil is in the details.
Two peculiar things about the Pentagon event stand out for me:
1) The seemingly superfluous deep penetration of the building.
2) The highly anomalous flight north of the Citgo station (so easily noticed by the various CIT witnesses) for no otherwise apparent reason.
posted by ipsedixit
I'm not sure I buy everything you said on the subject of the explosions, but mainly because I don't know anything about what can and cannot be done with missiles and their warheads, or with explosives.
I'm still puzzled though, by the flight north of Citgo. Why not fly south of Citgo?
The only reason for this that I can think of is to clear a flight path for something else south of Citgo.
Or why not plant the explosives on a line with the actual flight path of the decoy plane north of Citgo?
The only reason for this that I can think of is that the damage was going to be inflicted by something that would leave a trail pointing toward the downed light poles.
Originally posted by SPreston
A missile would have either had a high explosive warhead which would have exploded at the wall, or a bunker buster penetrator warhead to carry the high explosive through the reinforced wall and deep into the interior. A single missile could not do both.
posted by SPreston
A missile would have either had a high explosive warhead which would have exploded at the wall, or a bunker buster penetrator warhead to carry the high explosive through the reinforced wall and deep into the interior. A single missile could not do both.
posted by Georgehairybush1
Im not sure i totallly agree with this.
High-explosive incendiarys They work off the principle of a Heat round, but are filled with flammable liquids to cause secondary fires.
Im not saying ive seen one or aware they exist. But what im saying is, is it beyond the realms of possiblity to incorporate a High Explosive Incendiary with a bunker buster type warhead? Combination penetrator-explosive although in reverse.
As i said, just a thought and is it beyond the realms of possibilty?
posted by angel of lightangelo
You know what would be a really big help here?
Sounds crazy but hear me out. What if there were all kinds of cameras that could have captured this incident? What if at least one of those cameras had a framerate at least as high as the ones my gas stations here use - 30fps. I just wish we had that kind of technology around the pentagon that day, then we would have some real video to analyze.
posted by angel of lightangelo
Thanks, I forgot all about the toilet seats and hammers scandal and that is a great point. So many on here keep pushing the idea that the cameras and storage space for footage were the lowest quality available. I do not understand why the place I buy my pork rhinds can afford a more advanced level of security than the pentagon. I also do not understand why anyone would even buy that.
posted by angel of lightangelo
This thread got really quiet after all the talk of how asinine it was to believe that they do not have better cameras and recording equipment. Where are all the believers lately? I was really hoping someone could explain the same group of people spending more on a wrench than the security of the country.