BIBLE filled with FALSE Prophets!, page 2

Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
reply to post by Incarnated

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It actually doesn't say anything about a house or a church. The correct uses are: 1. two walking in a field 2. two grinding at a mill and 3. two sleeping in bed.

So no matter what it says your question, which is a fair one, would be - if two people are studying the same scripture how could anyone be left.

First of all it doesn't say, that both people are studying the same scripture. It only informs one of what they are doing at the time, a certain event will take place. The idea that is connected with said event, is that many people (even up to half of the people) will not be paying much attention, when the event happens - that is why he likens it to the days of Noah and of Lot. No one is paying attention.

I think of Romans 8:6 when I hear that particular reference in the Bible.

"For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."

Just a thought.

reply to post by Iggus

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Iggus:

I think our understanding we gleam from the Scriptures comes to us as we are spiritually ready to accept and gain wisdom from. As we begin our spiritual journey the Lord helps us in our growth by, (1) bringing other believers into our lives to help us on our path; (2) the giving of The Holy Spirit, to help teach us and guide us. It is through his spirit that we and the Father's spirit become one. He then can lift us up into heaven and show us the secrets and whisper to us the spiritual truths that only the angels know.

If one has a truly humbled heart, humbled mind, humbled, spirit, and a humbled body and bring ourselves to the Father as clay to be molded or like a piece of cold dark coal he will polish us into a diamond someday. We can surely trust ourselves in his loving hands.


Peace,
Grandma

reply to post by Incarnated

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You state that there is some actualized meaning underlying the bible, or else someone could not be a false prophet for not understanding it. However, you then state that there are a number of true meanings of the bible. Given that if God is tha author of the bible, would it not be safe to assume that God would have only one true meaning for his words. After all God is not the God of confusion. I am now therefore in a confusion. Either there are multiple meanings of any given portion of the bible and therefore how are we to determine those which are true from those which are not. Why should therre be any false understandings or meanings? Or I am left with the fact that there is only one true meaning and if we do not understand that then we are false prophets. Now I ask you whether you believe we can actually ever reach any understanding of this actualized underlying meaning? After all, everything we read is read with our bias applied, as you state. This would suggest that we cannot ever reach a true understanding of the underlying meaning and this would lead therefore to the fact that all people are false prophets for none speak the whole truth of God as understood from the underlying actualization of the bible.

On a side note do you think that all false prophets will therefore not be in heaven?

Thanks

Originally posted by Grandma
reply to post by Iggus

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(2) the giving of The Holy Spirit, to help teach us and guide us. It is through his spirit that we and the

The Bible is VERY clear as to when GOD sends the Holy Spirit upon one and what one must do to get that comforter.

John14:15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Do you see the IF in verse 14? Can you see now what one MUST DO FIRST before Christ sends the Spirit?

For Reference to what the 10 , ask yourself do you keep it?

7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me. 8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: 9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, 10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments. 11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. 12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. 16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 17 Thou shalt not kill. 18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery. 19 Neither shalt thou steal. 20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour. 21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour’s wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour’s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

reply to post by Grandma

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Hi,
God's truth can only be understood with the help of the Holy Spirit. After all isn't it better to have the author with you to help explain the meaning of the book? Those who don't have the Spirit cannot understand the things of God. Of course to have the Spirit of God within us we must have come to Christ for forgiveness of our sins. This involves a true humbling of ourselves, understanding that we can do nothing to aid in our salvation and entry into God's Kingdom. Then God will provide the Spirit within us, as a garuantee of the future blessing of heaven. He will lead us into all understanding, as God would have us know, and in heaven a completion. He will also lead us to walk in the way of the beatitudes and a life worthy of God.

God calls us to walk in holiness and he provides the way through his Son's death on the cross and the subsequent gift of the Spirit of God to all who believe.

Iggus

reply to post by Incarnated

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Now I am getting very confused. Now you suggest that it is impossible for any man to grasp anything of the truths of God. This would therefore inevitably lead me to the conclusion that all men are "falso prophets" in your understanding. In fact this must also be true of those people who are recorded in the bible. Moses for instance could not possibley have comprehended God and so by your view he must have been a false prophet. Now clearly this must lead to some problems. How can I take anything as true from the bible. You obviously take somethings as true from the bible but why? How can you state which are true if those who wrote them were tainted by there animalistic tendencies? How can you even speak of a second coming with any confidence as those who wrote these things were "false prohpets". Even your understanding of these things must be flawed, unless of course you claim to be higher than all other men, and therefore why do you believe your own viewpoint. Surely your view is just animalistic and doesn't show Gods true glory.

If on the other hand you follow the bibles view of itself that it is God breathed (2 Tim 3), ie given directly by God, and that no author wrote of their own understanding but rather as the Holy Spirit moved them (2 Peter 1) then you would not state that the bible was not written by God. The bible fundementally claims divine authorship. This lends also to the fact that the words must be able to express the meaning that the author wishes them to convey and that therefore we also must be able to understand that meaning. This does not mean that all views or understanding of the bible are true, but that there is one true understanding which we can move toward.

As a final note, and moving back to the thread title, the bible then is not filled with false prophets. The bible warns that false prophets will come. Those false prophets will try and lead people away from the understanding of Christ as the only way of salvation through vain teachings. The bible is itself the true teaching of God, as testified to by God. I finally ask then, where do you see salvation for men as coming from? How do men get right with a holy God? After all this is what is the most important thing. This has eternal consequences, where-as a wrong understanding of the mode of baptism will be put right before God one day but if you stand judged as guilty before God at the last day it is too late then to put right your view of salvation.

reply to post by Iggus

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God is inside of you. By freeing yourself from your animalistic natured mindset, using your soul (your heart) to seek for truth, and asking and believing and expecting a answer to be given to you of God.

God is in side you. Search and you shall find. Knock, and it will be opened to you.

Try going away and relaxing, and then asking inside your head "God are you there?" see what happens.

reply to post by Incarnated

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Thank you for answering one of my questions The way of salvation that the bible gives however does not correspond with yours. Jesus said that the only way to the father was through him. Paul states that salvation comes through the cross. Our sins need to be forgiven and Christ has taken God's wrath for our sins upon himself on the cross. If we believe in Jesus and repent of our sins then we can be made right with God. I can find nowhere in the bible that I should relax and meditate and find God. I don't see the let go and let God approach anywhere. I do see this in many eastern religions though.

We seem to have moved slightly though from the main point. Could you just answer this simple question for me. Can an underlying truth be understood be a reader as meant by an author? or are all words so contaminated by bias from the reader that they only have the meaning appliead by the reader? This seems important as to work out whther the bible can ever actually have any truth claims in a fundamental sense and therefore whether anyone who gives a view contrary to the bible is a false prophet or not.

Thanks

reply to post by Iggus

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You say Jesus said 'The only way to the father is through me'.

However what does that mean? Does that mean the same thing to you as it does to me? Is that statement so clear in context that is clear for the most retarded people to understand of does "the truth" (actual falsehood) need be taught by a church or religion?

I could express how that statement doesn't mean what religion says it means. The bible is not written by God, it is written by men that wanted to be your spiritual leaders. It is written by men that spun mythology and folklore into an otherwise very human accounting of the life and times and BELIEFS/UNDERSTANDING of the one you'd call the christ.

reply to post by Incarnated

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I will try this one again. Can you answer my simple and direct question? It would seem to have a central bearing on the idea of who is a false prophet.

Of course if you don't think that the bible does contain the truth as it was simply written by failed men then why would you care whether some-one who held a belief as understood from the bible was a false prophet or not? How could you possibley determine whether their view wass right or wrong?

Although I think answering my first point would be the most beneficial and would actually move us forward rather than going nowhere

reply to post by Incarnated

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Nostradamus, Cayce, are equal to all the prophets in the bible. They are all true or they are all false. It's all depending upon the viewer and what they see.

Yes, and they can both be right and wrong. Some prophesy can be filtered through the prophet and hence, not be totally accurate, but still have some truth, none the less.

Also, insight can be foggy. You know there is truth in it, but still may not be as clear as it will be.

My experience is; I may receive information suddenly and with complete conviction and then I may receive only bits until full disclosure. In the meantime, it may leave me open without complete understanding. Often, it comes in phases.

reply to post by Incarnated

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The animal side wants to see things go one way, and it is that which is keeping you from seeing more clearly. To remove yourself, the ego, or the idealisim of one's self form the observance alows for clearer understanding of what is being read off the circuits of the cosmos.

Or until it is time for it to be revealed! God does not wait for the animal in us to hibernate. When it is his will for something to be spoken, nothing will stop it!

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