BIBLE filled with FALSE Prophets!

I think of Romans 8:6 when I hear that particular reference in the Bible.

"For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."

Just a thought.

If you were to assume my answers, do you really think you could do so correctly? Are you already not falsely assuming I have an answer?

I understand that there are several correct ways to read/understand the words written in MAN's "Holy Book" known as "the bible". However I also understand there seems to be an equal number of false understandings of the text.

So, if there is 1 and -1 doesn't that equate to 0? Some fools would like to believe that.

reply to post by Iggus

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Iggus:

I think our understanding we gleam from the Scriptures comes to us as we are spiritually ready to accept and gain wisdom from. As we begin our spiritual journey the Lord helps us in our growth by, (1) bringing other believers into our lives to help us on our path; (2) the giving of The Holy Spirit, to help teach us and guide us. It is through his spirit that we and the Father's spirit become one. He then can lift us up into heaven and show us the secrets and whisper to us the spiritual truths that only the angels know.

If one has a truly humbled heart, humbled mind, humbled, spirit, and a humbled body and bring ourselves to the Father as clay to be molded or like a piece of cold dark coal he will polish us into a diamond someday. We can surely trust ourselves in his loving hands.


Peace,
Grandma

reply to post by Incarnated

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You state that there is some actualized meaning underlying the bible, or else someone could not be a false prophet for not understanding it. However, you then state that there are a number of true meanings of the bible. Given that if God is tha author of the bible, would it not be safe to assume that God would have only one true meaning for his words. After all God is not the God of confusion. I am now therefore in a confusion. Either there are multiple meanings of any given portion of the bible and therefore how are we to determine those which are true from those which are not. Why should therre be any false understandings or meanings? Or I am left with the fact that there is only one true meaning and if we do not understand that then we are false prophets. Now I ask you whether you believe we can actually ever reach any understanding of this actualized underlying meaning? After all, everything we read is read with our bias applied, as you state. This would suggest that we cannot ever reach a true understanding of the underlying meaning and this would lead therefore to the fact that all people are false prophets for none speak the whole truth of God as understood from the underlying actualization of the bible.

On a side note do you think that all false prophets will therefore not be in heaven?

Thanks

The Bible is VERY clear as to when GOD sends the Holy Spirit upon one and what one must do to get that comforter.

John14:15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Do you see the IF in verse 14? Can you see now what one MUST DO FIRST before Christ sends the Spirit?

For Reference to what the 10 , ask yourself do you keep it?

reply to post by Grandma

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Hi,
God's truth can only be understood with the help of the Holy Spirit. After all isn't it better to have the author with you to help explain the meaning of the book? Those who don't have the Spirit cannot understand the things of God. Of course to have the Spirit of God within us we must have come to Christ for forgiveness of our sins. This involves a true humbling of ourselves, understanding that we can do nothing to aid in our salvation and entry into God's Kingdom. Then God will provide the Spirit within us, as a garuantee of the future blessing of heaven. He will lead us into all understanding, as God would have us know, and in heaven a completion. He will also lead us to walk in the way of the beatitudes and a life worthy of God.

God calls us to walk in holiness and he provides the way through his Son's death on the cross and the subsequent gift of the Spirit of God to all who believe.

Iggus

Psalm 71: 1 In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust: let me never be put to confusion. <---- what I stand on.

There are verses that refer to your confusion, OP.

For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. James 3:16




[edit on 12-12-2008 by justamomma]

First off, the bible is written by MEN. God is not the author of the bible. The bible is a nationalistic and mythologically spun historic representation of events long lost in meanings. The "Word of God" refered to in the bible is that "Voice" or "Consciousness" that those who wrote the words down state they heard. "Thus say the Lord your God..." is a vocaliztion of a higher understanding within the human consciousness of the prophet.

Secondly I find it laughable that any man would think they should even ever harbor the idealisim that God is so basic that mankind should ever assume to be able to graps a couple of consepts of depth of the reality of God in this life time. For a man to foolishly assume they should be able to understand the truths of God in their near animalistic mindset is offensive to say the least.

The bible and many spiritiual and religious texts speak of the coming of false prophets that will decieve many. These are people that would claim connection to god and so sudgest you to follow them. They are fools and they are powerless. The true "false prophet" has no power to decieve anyone. Then why do they decieve many? The false prophets decieve many because many decieve themselves.

I will make the most basic example I've seen. Do not take offence because this bad behavior repeats through ever race, color, creed and sect. I've noted that there are a growing group of people of a particular COLOR. I'll call this color Sarorurplack. Now the men of this color say that 'Jesus was a Sarorurplack Man.' And 'upon Jesus's return Jesus will be a Sarorurplack Man that makes the Sarorurplack men the rulers over all'.

This is a true story, but some of the details have been changed to keep us on point.

Now any representation of the return of Christ will be automaticly rejected by those fools unless Jesus returns as a Sarorurplack man to accomplish the adjenda of that race.

Now that may be a baisc and or extream case. But unfortunally everyone has their idealisim of what to expect.

However the first "false prophet" that comes as a Sarorurplack Man pushing the nationalistic adjenda of those people will be accepted quickly. The false prophet could be a retard, but as long as they are a Sarorurplack Man pushing for that adjenda he'll be accpeted because the people have decieved themselves.

reply to post by Incarnated

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Now I am getting very confused. Now you suggest that it is impossible for any man to grasp anything of the truths of God. This would therefore inevitably lead me to the conclusion that all men are "falso prophets" in your understanding. In fact this must also be true of those people who are recorded in the bible. Moses for instance could not possibley have comprehended God and so by your view he must have been a false prophet. Now clearly this must lead to some problems. How can I take anything as true from the bible. You obviously take somethings as true from the bible but why? How can you state which are true if those who wrote them were tainted by there animalistic tendencies? How can you even speak of a second coming with any confidence as those who wrote these things were "false prohpets". Even your understanding of these things must be flawed, unless of course you claim to be higher than all other men, and therefore why do you believe your own viewpoint. Surely your view is just animalistic and doesn't show Gods true glory.

If on the other hand you follow the bibles view of itself that it is God breathed (2 Tim 3), ie given directly by God, and that no author wrote of their own understanding but rather as the Holy Spirit moved them (2 Peter 1) then you would not state that the bible was not written by God. The bible fundementally claims divine authorship. This lends also to the fact that the words must be able to express the meaning that the author wishes them to convey and that therefore we also must be able to understand that meaning. This does not mean that all views or understanding of the bible are true, but that there is one true understanding which we can move toward.

As a final note, and moving back to the thread title, the bible then is not filled with false prophets. The bible warns that false prophets will come. Those false prophets will try and lead people away from the understanding of Christ as the only way of salvation through vain teachings. The bible is itself the true teaching of God, as testified to by God. I finally ask then, where do you see salvation for men as coming from? How do men get right with a holy God? After all this is what is the most important thing. This has eternal consequences, where-as a wrong understanding of the mode of baptism will be put right before God one day but if you stand judged as guilty before God at the last day it is too late then to put right your view of salvation.

reply to post by Iggus

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God is inside of you. By freeing yourself from your animalistic natured mindset, using your soul (your heart) to seek for truth, and asking and believing and expecting a answer to be given to you of God.

God is in side you. Search and you shall find. Knock, and it will be opened to you.

Try going away and relaxing, and then asking inside your head "God are you there?" see what happens.

reply to post by Incarnated

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Thank you for answering one of my questions The way of salvation that the bible gives however does not correspond with yours. Jesus said that the only way to the father was through him. Paul states that salvation comes through the cross. Our sins need to be forgiven and Christ has taken God's wrath for our sins upon himself on the cross. If we believe in Jesus and repent of our sins then we can be made right with God. I can find nowhere in the bible that I should relax and meditate and find God. I don't see the let go and let God approach anywhere. I do see this in many eastern religions though.

We seem to have moved slightly though from the main point. Could you just answer this simple question for me. Can an underlying truth be understood be a reader as meant by an author? or are all words so contaminated by bias from the reader that they only have the meaning appliead by the reader? This seems important as to work out whther the bible can ever actually have any truth claims in a fundamental sense and therefore whether anyone who gives a view contrary to the bible is a false prophet or not.

Thanks

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You say Jesus said 'The only way to the father is through me'.

However what does that mean? Does that mean the same thing to you as it does to me? Is that statement so clear in context that is clear for the most retarded people to understand of does "the truth" (actual falsehood) need be taught by a church or religion?

I could express how that statement doesn't mean what religion says it means. The bible is not written by God, it is written by men that wanted to be your spiritual leaders. It is written by men that spun mythology and folklore into an otherwise very human accounting of the life and times and BELIEFS/UNDERSTANDING of the one you'd call the christ.

reply to post by Incarnated

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I will try this one again. Can you answer my simple and direct question? It would seem to have a central bearing on the idea of who is a false prophet.

Of course if you don't think that the bible does contain the truth as it was simply written by failed men then why would you care whether some-one who held a belief as understood from the bible was a false prophet or not? How could you possibley determine whether their view wass right or wrong?

Although I think answering my first point would be the most beneficial and would actually move us forward rather than going nowhere

First...a prophet is claimed a prophet by the people, not themselves. It usually comes after the fact of a prediction occuring that one is considered a true prophet. Still...can a prophet not channel a evil guide??? If one goes by the Bible, and believes in Satan, the one who can even claim himself as God....why couldn't Satan fool a man to think its a foretelling of and from God Almighty, the true I AM??

Secound, there are reasons to believe that prophecies have evolved before this Bible ever came about...there are similar prophecies from other cicilizations and cultures that can match their own prophicies with similar fortellings that are in the Bible. One example of this would be the fallen star/king in Isiah and many lands have tellings of a creation, flood and a man that will come that is god like bringing a better way.

Third...If a 'god' (someone claiming to be god) teaches a group of people, you are specail and I promise you this land over here that is already occupied by these 'bad' seeds....HOW HARD IS IT TO PROPHECISES THE DESTRUCTIVE RESULTS THAT WILL EVOLVE FROM THIS ONE TEACHING?

The star prophecy is ancient....why do we find that the Magi are the ones following it and seeking it?? Arent they from Egypt (pls correct me if that assumption is wrong) Did the Hebrews not fully understand the link to the cosmos and the Christ?

Prophecies are dangerous...for who is worthy to say it was a prophecy from God. We have prophecies that have been left to us in the Bible that keep mankind separated and keeps mankind from ever becoming a planet of peace and unity....who to say we couldn't rise about this foretelling and every single person refuse to fight over a special land or special people, we decide as a whole unit that we wont separate anyone....its impossible to ever hope for such a thing because of the merit others have placed in this war being inevitable.

Revelations predicts even the number of how many will be saved (or whatever)....is this pre destiny? God already knows? Then this knocks free will out of the water...something most religions claim we have....

Just some thoughts....I say take everything, absolutely everything...with a grain of salt.

Peace,
LV

Why does churchianity concentrate on the second, but not the first?

1: No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44

2: Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:6

Could it be that those who do not understand the first, cannot understand the second as intended?

This is an interesting subject because most of you are trying to make this a black and white issue. I would say there is an element of truth and inaccuracies with all that is being shared.

There is a little scripture that says:

"This is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations, because, looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, neither do they get the sense of it; and toward them the prophecy of Isaiah is having fulfillment, which says, 'By hearing, you will hear but by no means get the sense of it;and, looking, you will look but by no means see. For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes; that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back, and I heal them" Matt. 13:13-15

The Bible was written by man for man. But this does not mean that The Gods did not partake in its many mysteries and then use it to their benefit!

The definition of false prophet is in the eye of the beholder. Some may consider one to be false while another may see this person as enlightened!

Anyone who is truly spiritual understands that God, or; The Gods, speak in riddles. It takes true discernment to read between the lines to see what is accurate, or not. This involves the senses, not information we quote by rote.

You cannot be a "literalist" and be truly spiritual.

Incarnated is incorrect when he/she says that God is within all of us. No, we tap into his energy and can communicate to him within ourselves, but we are separate. Man is too carnal and too insignificant to have the purity of this energy force actually residing within us. But HE can operate within us. Motivate us and move us. Like electricity, but the power source is still separate.

I say:

The sun shall rise upon a house with a chicken coup and the day shall shine the truth!

This is a prophecy of a sort. Very basic, and the likely hood is very high that this prophecy will come to pass in some way.

If prophecy is "Seen" to come to pass after the fact. Then people can both, from their free willed choice, SEE any lines of texts of statements of "prophecy" come to pass if they are only willing to look.

Nostradamus, Cayce, are equal to all the prophets in the bible. They are all true or they are all false. It's all depending upon the viewer and what they see.

reply to post by Incarnated

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Yes, and they can both be right and wrong. Some prophesy can be filtered through the prophet and hence, not be totally accurate, but still have some truth, none the less.

Also, insight can be foggy. You know there is truth in it, but still may not be as clear as it will be.

My experience is; I may receive information suddenly and with complete conviction and then I may receive only bits until full disclosure. In the meantime, it may leave me open without complete understanding. Often, it comes in phases.

yes wonderful. Now what you need understand is the dule nature of your being. One side of you is that animal that is up out of the mud of evolutionary process while the other side is the spiritual light. This is the mud in your eye spoken of by Jesus. To clear the mud out of your own eye so that you might see clearly is as simple as understanding the dule nature and then disactivating the animalistic perceptual bias of perceptions.

The animal side wants to see things go one way, and it is that which is keeping you from seeing more clearly. To remove yourself, the ego, or the idealisim of one's self form the observance alows for clearer understanding of what is being read off the circuits of the cosmos.

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Or until it is time for it to be revealed! God does not wait for the animal in us to hibernate. When it is his will for something to be spoken, nothing will stop it!