Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
You ask about debunkers but I question why I should care if terrorist did 9/11 or an alphabet agency did it. Either way it kick started the war on terrorism and made a lot of money for a lot of people. It provided ratings for the MSM, money for Haliburton, Honeywell, CSC, Lockheed Martin, Boeing. Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and lots of others. Millions of employees of these and others companies worked behind the scenes on set building, dressing, production, etc. as well as side by side with our military on stage. A few people died on 9/11 and we have had one hell of a reality show for the last few years.

QFT

I have a major problem and question.

1. If Wtc 7 and the other towers housed super top secret FBi, cia, etc and other sensitive data in certain areas that you would need high security clearence to enter, can all that be comprimised by a fire which then could allow any rookie fireman or terrorist dressed as a fireman to access extremely top secret information or do they have a high level security fireman team allowed to access highly sensitive areas?


If the answer is no they dont have a high level firemen team to attack fires in top secret areas then that means a fireman has higher priority to the sensitive area then the most high level officers.

2.. After the 1993 bombing is it possible that it was decided that the wtc towers would have to be rigged with saftey explosives incase someone tried to bomb the garage again they could ensure a controlled collapse rather than let the building fall all over new york buildings and streets?

If that's the case I can see why no one would want to admit to that since it would be in question who thought it the towers weren't safe enough to stand alowwing thousands to die. Wtc 7 had highly sensitive information, could that building self destruct to protect national security?

I heard stories in 2001 about witnesss/fireman? that witnessed somewhere around the 24th floor the f.b.i officies lin the towers before collapse looked as ifa bomb tore through it. Any one remember this?



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Not to mention they would have access to better than your average demo co. equipment. I'm talking cutting edge, military grade, mini nukes, that could essensially take out an entire floor of inner support colums with 2-4 devices.

This wouls result in only a handful of loud booms per buildinjg, which were reported by almost everyone in and near the building, in the basements ect. The ejections from these devices can be seen and heard on many of the 9/11 videos of the WTC1, and 2 collapsing.

Mini nukes? Explain why there were no radiation casualties at the scene -
even the smallest nuclear weapons deployed produced a lethal burst
of radiation for a radius of 350-400 meters. No lingering radiation
was detected afterwards either.

As for noise - ever see a building collapse? Makes a lot of noise as it
falls, including booming noises as the floors collapse into each other

If there was unreacted thermite, as the rubble settled some of it could have been ignited, keeping the temperature extremely high for long peroids of time. In fact unreacted thermite is the only reasonable explanation as to why the temperatures stayed so high for so long.

Thermite is rather difficult to ignite - usually done with burning magnesium

The temperature was kept high by fires burning in the rubble for weeks,
the rubble covering it acting as a lid keeping the heat in - same as in a
mine fire

As for Jones - simply having a PHD does not mean you are not bat crap
nuts ! Jones is a loon who was shown the door when became an
embarasment

As for barium - look it up will....

Originally posted by Nola213


I've done plumbing in manhatten, and we used to arrive at about 9-10 in the evening, and work till sunrise, and leave early, 5-6 am to beat the traffic. No one even knew we were there, except for one or two security guards on duty.

They could have worked these house rigging these buildings, and hardly anyone would have seen them let alone question what they were doing.

Do you really think a white collar guy, or secretary working later, is gonna stop in a hallway on her way home to ask a guy whose on a ladder, and half of his body in the ceiling exactly what he is doing??? C'mon.

The idea that they couldn't have set up all the demo for this in a decent time frame is preposterous. They could have worked 60 hours a week, and hardly be questioned.

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I have worked graveyard shift asbestos removal in state office buildings in the past. Although our worksite would remain for several days, I can see how a group could gain authorized access after hours, and, by working through ceiling panels and in elevator shafts and in the basement, that their work could remain unknown or little suspected by the 9 to 5er's.
Except for a few security guards we were alone all night in those buildings.

Originally posted by thedman
The temperature was kept high by fires burning in the rubble for weeks,
the rubble covering it acting as a lid keeping the heat in - same as in a
mine fire

As for Jones - simply having a PHD does not mean you are not bat crap
nuts ! Jones is a loon who was shown the door when became an
embarasment

As for barium - look it up will....

So you're trying to tell me that eventhough the contents of the buildings have been proven to be incapable of burning hot enough to melt the steel columns, once you cover it with rubble and starve it of oxygen the temperature will then rise hot enough to produce pools of molten metal?

I have to admit you're right, anyone with credentials that impressive and who could help to pioneer Muon-catalyzed fusion sounds "bat crap
nuts" to me.

With all due respect, please take your pseudoscience, rhetoric, and slanderous remarks and use them on someone stupid enough to believe it.
Until you can come up with an arguement that sounds even remotely intelligent, and provide references and proof to back up your claims, I'm done debunking your ridiculous pseudoscience. It's an insult to the intellect of a grade school student to expect anyone to believe what you are saying.

I'm honestly trying my best to both be polite, and explain the irrational and ridiculous nature of your statements at the same time so please don't take this as an attack.

I would imagine that the reason WTC7 was brought down was that they had already designed the new look ground zero & it was in the way - it too needed demolishing to build the big new temple of zion / war against terror memorial with its cathy "Freedom towers" (hows that for irony) branding.

After following the 9/11 truth movement for some time now I have to saw...WOW. After seeing this evidence, I think most folks will ave to reconsider. Just seeing those scientist look like a 6th grader making excuses for not doing their HW was eerie. It might not happen tomorrow but this bit of evidence will change everything.

I honestly do not know how people can believe these lies, especially when there's so much information pointing out the flaws in some of what these "experts" suggest.

I have nothing more to say. It's disgusting. And all those who know the truth and lie to the masses, should either hang their heads in shame...or hang.

Thanks to all who replied and for the valuable contributions! This is an important development.

While I know the natural response is to begin to speculate on the possible causes for the collapse which is OK with me. I would like to stress this thread is really about those 2 1/2 seconds of freefall and what that means to the credibility of the entire NIST report and their computer models.

It appears the NIST experts have been completely debunked and embarrassed by a high school physics teacher with a budget of zero as compared to the millions spent by NIST. The teacher had it right judging by the stammering avoidance of questions and ultimately NIST changing the report to reflect the freefall speed! Freefall speed in a fire induced global collapse???