NIST Officially Admits Freefall Speed re:WTC 7!!, page 21
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:45 AM by NIcon
reply to post by pteridine


Unfortunately, pteridine, I think you may be right. It probably would take some spectacular revelation to get the general public interested again. Something large enough and easy enough to understand that it would get wall to wall coverage on cable news. Something along the lines of new proof that Mohammed Atta was really the disregarded child of an illicit love affair between William Casey and Mamie Eisenhower and he suffered psychological scars from overhearing through the bedroom wall "uncle" Billy whispering sweet romantic NORAD secrets into Mamie's ear each night. I don't think we'll be hearing Dr. Phil telling us about that on the TV any time soon.

But one must keep along in the direction one deems to be right. The future unfolds many surprising developments.

(Posting disclaimer: All events, characters and institutions in this ATS post are fictitious. Any similarity to any person, living or dead, or to any dead terrorist, or to any actual events, or institutions is purely coincidental. This post should not be construed in whole or in part as some form of new emerging 911 conspiratorial theory.)


reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 07:03 AM by pteridine
reply to post by tezzajw


OK, Tezza, write to the US Congressmen and Senators of your choosing. Tell them that you are an Australian citizen and erstwhile consumer of US goods and therefore a contributor to their salaries. Tell them you have friends that have actually paid US taxes and that you demand a reinvestigation as you have a vested interest in why WTC7 fell down. I'm sure you'll get all the attention you deserve.
Meanwhile, we naive folk stand by our statement that a reinvestigation will not happen without some major new evidence. The chances of that happening are exceptionally slim, as any perpetrators of any such event would have had years to cover any tracks. Given that, a reinvestigation would use the extant information and result in the same general conclusion.
WTC#7 collapse is a dead issue for all but conspiracy theorists.


reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 10:21 AM by Griff
Originally posted by pteridine
Meanwhile, we naive folk stand by our statement that a reinvestigation will not happen without some major new evidence. The chances of that happening are exceptionally slim, as any perpetrators of any such event would have had years to cover any tracks.


This happened for the first investigation.

NIST didn't start it's investigation until October 2002.

Ground Zero was cleaned of all debris by July 2002. Three months prior.

How convenient eh?

BTW, The US Government admits to hauling away evidence:

"Thousands of tons of steel were carted away from ground zero and recycled before any expert could examine what could have been tell-tale clues. Support trusses, fireproofing fragments and even burnt out electrical switches that might have given scientists and engineers insight were lost forever - even before an investigation was underway.


www.house.gov...

Also, house.gov is not a "conspiracy" site.

Read that paragraph again. It sure seems like they really didn't want "something" found out. If not, why the rush job of "clean-up"? It's not like 8 years later and it's sill a hole in the ground. Or is it like the Army's moto: "Hurry up and wait"?

Edit to add: The main site is still not built. WTC 7 is. Just thought I'd clarify that before someone jumps down my throat.

But, also, the main point is that WTC 7 was the building that was "cleaned" up first and the fastest (i.e. before anyone could see it). That's documented by photos and also verified by an engineer who was staying near-by who went running out in NYC when he saw that the trucks were hauling away things at night. Why all the secrecy I wonder?

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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 11:50 AM by pteridine
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There will be no reinvestigation because there is nothing left to investigate. The CT folks will have to wait for the top secret ops plan to be discovered if they expect any sort of action. What are the chances of that happening even if there ever was any such plan?
All that WTC#7 is good for now is to keep the boards hopping every time someone surfing the net, "researching," thinks that they have found the nugget that will prove everything. It keeps everyone busy and away from the actual coverup; incompetent upper level political appointees who played turf games while the lower ranks toiled in vain. The Bush administration had a penchant for picking the most ill-suited good ol' boys.


reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:03 PM by Griff
Originally posted by pteridine
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There will be no reinvestigation because there is nothing left to investigate.


Yes, convenient isn't it?

BTW, as I mentioned above, there was hardly anything left to investigate to begin with.


reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 01:20 PM by gottago
reply to post by LaBTop



LaBTop, now that is a fascinating scenario. However, I've been deeply interested in both 9/11 and the financial meltdown but I've never seen any evidence that there was some retribution going on--please expand on your comments and connect some dots to ground this.

Everything about the present financial mess points to a LIHOP on the part of the Fed, the SEC, and every administration since Reagan: dismantling Glass-Steagall, short-circuiting the economic cycle with continual bubbles, and refusing to regulate the derivatives market--the derivatives being the heart of the scam. All of this is home-grown, and most of it pre-9/11 to boot.

What's your take?

Thanks in advance.

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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 04:44 PM by LaBTop
The most dangerous next attack on the western infrastructure is on their food delivery structure.

This relies nowadays totally on electronically managed, order and delivery systems, and are so narrowly designed, that most food stores have stocks for two to three days only, based on statistically calculated sales.

So, what happens when a huge EMP (ElectroMagneticPulse) weapon is detonated in the central Europe or US airspace, high and powerful enough to fry most backbones, servers and mainframes in the EMP umbrella region?
And fry nearly all modern electronics too in cars and trucks build in the last ten years.

Within two weeks total chaos will engulf the whole western world, solely caused by food shortages, formerly unknown.

Do you understand why there is so much pressure on North Korea and Iran to stop those long range missile tests?

Because an "unknown" rogue submarine loaded with much better tested long range missiles could secretly launch in their coastal waters, and fire EMP weapons on targets anywhere in the world, thus implicating these two countries as the perpetrators, while they were not.

Fill in the enfolding scenarios yourself.


To get back to the free fall speed period in the WTC 7 collapse:
The implications of that are clear.

When perpetrators with the power to cover up their deeds for nearly eight years, were prepared to blow up their own infrastructure in one city to reach their objectives, why would they stop and not expand these forms of attack on a much grander scale?

Because they obviously are not satisfied with what they obtained up till now.


reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 07:16 PM by pteridine
reply to post by tezzajw


Right. It is not dead for you because you are a conspiracy theorist. Most of the world has moved on. Most Americans have moved on. WTC7 is a dead issue in Congress and they would be the ones to put up the funding for a new study. Right now they are busy with other things that they deem to be more important, but you can always start a petition if you think that will get their attention. Given the current state of affairs, I would expect that they will consider funding it when we are out of debt and a budget is balanced.


reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 08:53 PM by pteridine
reply to post by tezzajw


You ask me to prove that America and the world have moved on on the issue of WTC7. This isn't dfficult. Climb out of your sophomoric rage and look around.
Do you notice any calls for reinvestigation by anyone, in any country, that has any power to start a reinvestigation or influence its start? US Congress? Australian Parliament? British Parliament? EU? Is there any media pushing the idea? I don't see any "2.5 Seconds of Pure Gravitational Plotting" headlines that demand answers. Given that, what makes you think the world hasn't moved on?
Then you told me that I had FAILED because I didn't have a better explanation for the collapse than NIST. Alas, I will have to continue to FAIL because I have no evidence that any sort of demolitions were used, no evidence of a plot, no evidence of anyone planting or detonating explosives, and not much of a rationale for doing so. The main cause of collapse was gravity and catastrophic failure of the structure. You may believe what you will, speculate all you want, and petulantly demand answers to your questions of cause but it is unlikely that you will get any that will satisfy you.
You may now return to your rant.


reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 02:24 AM by NIcon
reply to post by Griff


Griff, I just wanted to point the following out to you, as I'm not sure if you are aware of NIST's early involvement, and also because the other avenues of discussion in this thread seem to have reached an impasse.

It seems NIST was involved much earlier than October 2002 when their "official" investigation began. In NCSTAR 1-3B (wtc.nist.gov...) on page 3 (31/112) they talk about the early identification and collection process in October 2001. They state "Dr. J. Grosss, a structural engineer at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and a member of the FEMA/ASCE BPS Team, was involved in these early efforts."

Then later on page 4 (32/112): "Volunteers from SEAoNY, with assistance from additional NIST personnel, continued their presence at the recovery yards and identified, catalogued, and shipped steel specimens to NIST through October 2002."

So NIST personnel were actually involved in the collection of relevant steel samples. I consider the identification of evidence the first step of any investigation. And if they had made any suggestions and/or recommendations that either decided or influenced what should or should not have been saved, I consider that the opening of the NIST investigation, though in an unofficial capacity.

So was NIST already "cooking the books" even at this early stage?


reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 08:05 AM by pteridine
reply to post by NIcon


Why do you assume NIST was cooking the books? It is not a good plan to have conspiracies staffed by many conspirators. If this was an actual conspiracy, the cooking would have been done before NIST became involved. As it is, you have no evidence that NIST did anything but evaluate what they had access to.
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