I read the book Communist Manifesto and I now am against Communism.

Here is my critique on communism.

Since everyone gets equal pay more people would be encouraged to be lazy. It is clear that giving everyone equal pay no matter what they do is not a good idea. It doesn't encourage people to work hard. Communists claim that their ideology is best for people but what they fail to realize is that they do not encourage people to try to work harder.

Communism is also for the abolishment of property because they think that it is just a tool for the ruling class. This is correct only if (1) that property is solely made for the ruling class... and.. it's not good because people like having property. Taking that right away will make life meaningless. People have the right to own property. Socialism allows people to still have that right.

Communism also formants their ideas throughout the use of violent revolution. I'm not sure what effect that has on people but it's not a good one for the people in that society that don't like communistic ideas.

In conclusion, I think that communism is good because it brings up social issues, but in reality what it does is takes away too many rights from people and gives them to the state. This authoritarian state has control over the economy and all public politics. That leads to the Government becoming more corrupt and it causes the people to have less freedom.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by Frankidealist35]

I am against anything that tries to control people.How can we ever have freedom.Democracy is a joke as well in my opinion.When can we have a system that allows people to live without the government breathing down their neck telling us what to do and how to live??

the communist manifesto is part of a communist ideology known as "marxism"

there are other types of communism,i think...

what would the differences be between the different types of communism,and to the OP,would any of these work out in your opinion?

I didn't ever think it was good on paper but I think I've heard people say that it works on paper before. Then, when I read the book Communist Mannifesto I realized that it didn't. Communism teaches some good social ideas but communism brings too much radical change to society and it wouldn't be good change. It would place all the power of the people into the state. It would give the state TOO MUCH POWER.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I read the book Communist Manifesto and I now am against Communism.

Communism is also for the abolishment of property because they think that it is just a tool for the ruling class. This is correct only if (1) that property is solely made for the ruling class... and.. it's not good because people like having property. Taking that right away will make life meaningless. People have the right to own property. Socialism allows people to still have that right.

Communism also formants their ideas throughout the use of violent revolution. I'm not sure what effect that has on people but it's not a good one for the people in that society that don't like communistic ideas.

In conclusion, I think that communism is good because it brings up social issues, but in reality what it does is takes away too many rights from people and gives them to the state. This authoritarian state has control over the economy and all public politics. That leads to the Government becoming more corrupt and it causes the people to have less freedom.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by Frankidealist35]

Unfortunetly once a country becomes stable property mainly stays with the upper class because they are the only ones who can affored it.

All major political changes are brought up through violence, even Americas democracy was created through violence, sorry but its just how things work. If you can name one country who changed their ruleing ways thrue peace please feel free to prove me wrong, but all governments, be it Faccist, Democratic, Parlamentary, ect. where all created through violence, the communist manifesto does not call for violent change it meerly states that it may be neccisary.

On paper communism is the most fair form of government around, if it worked. Unfortunetly man is naturally greedy and the ruler(s) of communist governments begin to seek more then the good of the people.

As for your statement about everyone makeing the same wages, this is just un-true. Their are different pay grades for different types of work. I.E. a Doctor would still make more then a worker at a resturant.... sorry but your wrong

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
When can we have a system that allows people to live without the government breathing down their neck telling us what to do and how to live??

Anarchy, is the only way, and it doesnt work because it is lawless and naturally evil and greedy people take advantage of that

Communism is not only bad on paper but it tends not to work so well in practice as well, in case you haven't noticed.

Originally posted by seriously,who cares?
the communist manifesto is part of a communist ideology known as "marxism"

there are other types of communism,i think...

what would the differences be between the different types of communism,and to the OP,would any of these work out in your opinion?

Their are all different variations of communism but marx's beiliefs seem to be most prominent in all socialist ideals.... And I personally believe he is right about his veiws on capitalism alienates the working class and this is why. Marx says that exploitation takes place in capitalist production, not in circulation. He distinguishes between labour (the activity) and labour-power - a person's ability to labor.

Originally posted by Resinveins
Communism is not only bad on paper but it tends not to work so well in practice as well, in case you haven't noticed.

How does it look bad on paper?

To me communism is the ideal that human society has to strive towards. It is the next natural stage in human evolution.

I agree that the communist manifesto is now outdated and its radical violent approach was written in a time of great oppression of the majority by the few in the west. However that does not take away from its basic principles of equality and a fair chance for all humanity.

The system in operation in the world at the moment is one of survival of the fittest. One only has to look at the production of medication and provision of healthcare to see this. All for profit.

The technology and wealth that exists in society today mean that no one in the entire planet has to go hungry anymore. The entire weapons expenditure by the US and China alone could cure poverty in the entire globe within a year according to the UN statistics.

Democracy doesn't work - people at the moment always vote on primarily individualistic tendencies - who will give me lower taxes and more money and secondarily on nationalistic sentiments - who will better stand up for my countries rights on the international stage.

The capitalistic, democratic system is a survival of the fittest system played in a world of inequality and therefore in this race of the survival of the fittest not everyone has had the same starting point. Any athlete in any race must have the same training, nutrition and advantages of his competitors to even have a chance of competing in the race. This is so much more true in the human race.

The basic principle of communism is one of people working for the advancement of all others - of working not for profit but for the gain of humanity. There is so much waste in this world its unbelievable - why have 16 multinational pharmaceutical companies researching in competition with each other for the cure for cancer so it can be sold by the winner for large profits when we could have all the best scientists working together on a co operative basis for the benefit of humanity. This is true of all human endeavour in the modern society we currently live in.

Until humanity realises that co-operation and not competition is the way forward we will never prosper as one people and will never achieve the limits we can reach. Wars will continue to rage and children will continue to starve.

Property is worthless to one person while many have none - what marx I think was trying to state by abolishing property rights was the false need for competition in property - why create a false value for a roof over ones head that means that that property is now monetarily out of the reach of many others when if the property is worthless in value then I have nothing to lose but everything to gain in assisting other people in attaining a property for themselves.

Humanity has to learn what jesus said - love my neighbour as myself - give all your goods away - they are worthless while people starve.

We currently insulate ourselves from the vast poverty of this planet by worthless goods - if property and gain for profit were abolished tomorrow our only gain would be the achievement of helping others which would usher in a new era for all of us. This cannot be achieved alone by a state hence the failure of the soviet union and others - it must be acheived by consensus on a global scale - by a groundswell of humanity wanting to help itself on a race level rather then on a misguided national and individualistic level.

Crime, poverty, envoirnmental destruction, war would all vanish. The crime today is our races unwillingness to strive for these goals as one people, as one race, as family.

As an Irishman, a christian, a european and a citizen of this planet I would like all my fellow man to start today and begin by volunteering in our own towns and cities to help the less fortunate and to ask our politicians more global human questions rather then just pariochial questions.

A new communist manifesto "United we stand, divided we are falling"

i have said this many times- the only time we have ever fought communism is when we slaughtered the indians. other wise we fought socialism. communism is a made up term by the gov't and media to make it seem evil. communism is not bad- look at all the small african, south american, bornean tribe- it will work on a VERY SMALL scale. but in our world today in modern society no way because as was pointed out by the op people would just be lazy and expect everyone else to do it -contribute nothing and expect a fair share and sooner or later the others will say f### u and kill them. i don't agree with communism at all btw

It is clear to me that capitalism sucks on paper. with the sole desire of the population being the accumulation of wealth, you'd see the dramatic decline in culture and intelligence of the average person, as well as an enormous amount of greed and corruption that would bring down the system based on credit/debt/monopoly money. After the deflation then hyperinflation in the inevitable downturn in the business cycle, you have state capitalism/corporate socialism and eventually, elite-protecting fascist police state to protect the criminals from the people from whom they swindled everything. Private ownership is extremely advantageous to the corporate elite and super rich. Through property and income taxes as well as debt of the average person trying to keep up, the money slowly trickles up over time, snowballing when bubbles pop and assets are bought up for pennies on the dollar. Capitalism is a pyramid scheme.

Your "treatise" reads like an essay by a 5th grader in our intentionally dilapidated public school system, designed to indoctrinate rather than teach critical thinking and open mindedness. This is a waste of time as I see your understanding of economics is less than that of a serf. Thanks most perfect "democracy" (we live in a republic...for the time being).

[edit on 25-12-2008 by CapsFan8]

"On paper" communism is a system with NO state. There is no centralization of power in a select few individuals.