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But the truth is that you have failed in everyone one of your posts that supports the theory that the pyramids were built in 20 years with ropes at 2 blocks a minute for a tomb of a man that was not dead yet. There were no incscription, oral or written evidence in egypt that suggests or boasts the Great pyramid was built by the egyptian kings you mention or even housed there bodies.

You would think that something that took atleast 20 years to build would of been recorded somehwere as to how, when, and why it was built and with all the beautiful hieroglyphs found around egypt, i am sure they would of put their finest artists at work at the great pyramids. But of course there is no inscriptions in the kings chamber or anything for that matter was found in the G .pyramid that claims it was built for a tomb. End of story.

THe c14 tests are from motar. Motar could of been used in the pharoahs times to repair, add on and or maintain the pyramids they found. It is fact the Sphinx and the pyramid show proof that is has been repaired and maintained throughout the centuries by many gernerations. So c14 isn't that reliable considering all the variables.

What you claim to be FACTS ,HANSLUNE, is mere speculation and theory. Not a very smart tactic in this field. Everything you presented is in my encyclopedia britannica from the 60's, they are a widely accepted theories that most of us are aware of, but dont you think if we just repeated what our text books says, wouldnt that make a very boring, redundant discussion?




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what if the pyramids were constructed in another dimension, or.. planet and somehow interlaced with our reality creating a gate......ask me anything bout anything

big brother i know too much, are you going to stop me?

what if the pyramids were constructed in another dimension, or.. planet and somehow interlaced with our reality creating a gate......ask me anything bout anything

big brother i know too much, are you going to stop me?

when you think of pyramids think of the different races of humans and our great 7 pyramids, if they have been located....then ask how do souls and vessels travelto unkown points, if there a reason for a invasion/colonization of means of a new society that will be based on control and povertY| poverty meaning the sense there will always be someone richer then yoU.......but who is the richest?

But the truth is that you have failed in everyone one of your posts that supports the theory that the pyramids were built in 20 years

Hans: That’s because I’ve never mentioned it, nor do I believe it. You seem to be moving your goal posts here. Instead of making up stuff you think I should believe in why don't you just ask....sheesh.

Do you acknowledge that your statement about bodies not being found in pyramids is wrong? Or will you wait a few days and make it again?

with ropes at 2 blocks a minute for a tomb of a man that was not dead yet.

Hans: I don’t believe that either, the blocks, remember that is just an estimate made by one man. I think there is a much smaller amount of stone in the pyramid and that they used sand as filler in a number of areas. Yeah they built tombs for all Pharaohs before they died, for around 2,500 years.

There were no incscription, oral or written evidence in egypt that suggests or boasts the Great pyramid was built by the egyptian kings you mention or even housed there bodies.

Hans: Again you forget the writing in the relieving chamber and the inscription on Menkaure Pyramid. So how do you explain their relatives being buried around them and mortuary temples being constructed there? Also why were the workers thinking they were working for the Pharaoh and making stuff? why are the worker tombs in the shape of .....guess what???

You would think that something that took atleast 20 years to build would of been recorded somehwere as to how, when, and why it was built and with all the beautiful hieroglyphs found around egypt, i am sure they would of put their finest artists at work at the great pyramids. But of course there is no inscriptions in the kings chamber or anything for that matter was found in the G .pyramid that claims it was tomb. End of story.

Hans: Why do you believe it took twenty years? The evidence was destroyed and may never have existed. The inner chambers show evidence that wooden panels were installed there – and they were removed. The are art would have been there. Why were there sarcophagus in them? You seem very unwilling to open your mind to anything but your own ideas-are you claiming your ideas cannot be challenged?

THe c14 tests are from motar. Motar could of been used in the pharoahs times to repair, add on and or maintain the pyramids they found. It is fact the Sphinx and the pyramid show proof that is has been repaired and maintained throughout the centuries by many gernerations. So c14 isn't that reliable considering all the variables.

Hans: So they couldn't built them but they could take them apart and put them back together perfectly and put mortar in every single place we’ve ever looked – and they only did it during the period of time the Pharaohs who were buried there lived! WOW, so were is the evidence of the other people who built these pyramids? By the way when they look at the quarry rubble, what is mixed in with it? Remains from this mythical people or Egyptians?

What you claim to be FACTS ,HANSLUNE, is mere speculation and theory.

Hans: Nope its a working hypnothesis based on evidence, your speculations and fantasies are not based on evidence – just your personal denial of the evidence and then making up stuff - and believing it.

Not a very smart tactic in this field.

Hans: What field is that? The making up lame stuff field?

Everything you presented is in my encyclopedia britannica from the 60's

Hans: My, my, the IvanZana the C-14 tests were done in 1985 and 1994 – how are those in a book from the 1960’s.....ooops looks like you step on it there – please try harder to make stuff up that is at least remotely feasible! LOL and double LOL.

they are a widely accepted theories that most of us are aware of, but dont you think if we just repeated what our text books says, wouldnt that make a very boring, redundant discussion?

Hans: Yes we can make up all kinds of things and fantasy about the Barsoomians building the pyramids – but why? I find reality far far more interesting!

Oh have you come up with the answer for why the hieroglyph for tomb in Egyptian is a pyramid with a mortuary temple wall around it?

Hint at one time it looked like a matasba then it changed...why do you think they did that?

Pyramids we see now..REPLICAs.. THE US has deal with the ME..Middle east...

1. The purpose of great Pyramids still unknown.
2. How they were built still unknown.
3. Architecturally, nothing similar before and after them. No purpose revealed in their architecture. Human architecture always has some utilizing purpose.
4. Documentation, almost none. For a huge project like that, incredible.
5. Buried bodies in great Pyramids: placed later.
6. Transporting those blocks on papyrus rafts from the opposite bank of the Nile, there should be huge number of blocks at the bottom of the river from those rafts that fell apart. Did anyone look for that?
7. Coordinating 25.000 workers on such a gigantic construction site is extremely difficult.
8. Lack of written evidence and mentioning of great pyramids: they simply do not fit into the belief system. They are a foreign body.
9, They could have been built as a place for pilgrims to come, but where is the evidence.
10. Even as a bank of knowledge they are still useless, there is still so much nuclear about them. They were never used as universities of this kind. No evidence.

They are as useless as the battleship Yamato, so is said

Originally posted by DangerDeath
1. The purpose of great Pyramids still unknown.
2. How they were built still unknown.
3. Architecturally, nothing similar before and after them. No purpose revealed in their architecture. Human architecture always has some utilizing purpose.
4. Documentation, almost none. For a huge project like that, incredible.
5. Buried bodies in great Pyramids: placed later.
6. Transporting those blocks on papyrus rafts from the opposite bank of the Nile, there should be huge number of blocks at the bottom of the river from those rafts that fell apart. Did anyone look for that?
7. Coordinating 25.000 workers on such a gigantic construction site is extremely difficult.
8. Lack of written evidence and mentioning of great pyramids: they simply do not fit into the belief system. They are a foreign body.
9, They could have been built as a place for pilgrims to come, but where is the evidence.
10. Even as a bank of knowledge they are still useless, there is still so much nuclear about them. They were never used as universities of this kind. No evidence.

They are as useless as the battleship Yamato, so is said

If your happiness with your life is to be judged on the collection of all the knowledge in the world from before you and after you, you will be a sad man.



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I would guess that the ancient Egyptians did the same thing we're doing as they looked upon these imposing geometrical shapes.

Wondering how, when, for what purpose, and by whom?

Like us, over the ages, they probably assumed they were constructed for a special purpose by a special people, and as Egypt grew and finally had enough to support a Pharaoh, one day the Pharaoh decided that he wanted to have his self-important life remembered by building a tomb in the pyramid shape, emulating these great constructions.

Of course, they weren't built as well, many made much smaller, and of course eventually some were actually buried in these tombs replicating the shape of the pyramids of Giza.

Complete with suitable engravings, drawings, and writings.

Construction of another great structure, Hagia Sophia in Constantinople (today's Istanbul) lasted 5 years. Eastern Roman empire was at its peak at that time. Hagia Sophia is mainly a hollow structure. It probably took more time to decorate it and to finish it in details. Still, it cannot compare to the great Pyramids. Even in that place and in that time it would take much more than 20 years to accomplish a building of that size.

If someone knows facts about how the Great wall was built it would be interesting to compare, but still I believe it cannot compare with the focused effort needed to build great Pyramids.

If you know the legend of Virakocha, in that legend is revealed that some alien human beings, who came to help and enlighten people in South America, used technology which was incomprehensible to the people. Of course, there is no evidence, but...

Someone has said this before me but I think it was an extremely good point.

The Egyptians accomplished some amazing things in there time and all of them they recorded in the hyroglyphics within the Pyramids. Except, the building of the pyramids themselves ?

That never really added up for me.
Also there has been research into this, and from what that report showed there was no where near enough wood in the area to build the Pyramids in such a time.

hans, i have a request to make. seems like a good time to me. if you don't want to give out free information i can certainly understand your point but i think now would be a good time to see a timeline or otherwise structured list of the evidence from your perspective.

i'd ask that if hans does this that no one (and by no one i mean ivan, hehe) consider it to be complete and/or infallible and that it's only the goodwill of hans to post such a list to us lurkers who'd otherwise no next to nothing about it.

i'd like to see ivan's list after that.

I tend to agree with the traditional Egyptologist views of pyramid construction.

I think we often underestimate the collective strength, nature and drive of tens of thousands of people. The general view of ancient people as basic - sub intelligent peasants is totally incorrect. These were people like you and I, living together, dreaming together with the same beliefs and ideals. - Surely it’s not incomprehensible that they could strive to a single construction goal fuelled by their belief that the Pharaoh was their god and this is what he desired.

The Egyptian 'work force' as a whole did not require an 'advanced knowledge' in order to construct these massive complexes. I work in the architectural field; and daily I deal with architects (a select few) who conceptualize, design and organize the construction of huge buildings. The workers on the ground are nothing more than cogs in the machine - there are a few people organizing the construction. Let’s not forget the many brilliant minds throughout history that in their capacity - rallied and invented technologies that benefited everybody around them - point being is that you needed just a few great minds and a work force with a passionate zeal to achieve your goal.

I ask you to comprehend 20 000 men working day in and out for 20 years on a single goal - with this sort of workforce, anything should be possible.

Further to the 'lack of internal content' in the pyramid, let’s not forget that these structures have stood for thousands of years and that the treasures in the great pyramid would have been beyond our comprehension - a great grave robbing target - who knows, perhaps the inscriptions were in gold leaf or gems - just throwing that out there. Point being, that this was a perfect target for would be thieves - who may have pilfered there for decades. I would like to refer back to the child king Tutankhamen- his tomb is considered the greatest find in modern day Egyptology, for the single reason that his tomb was intact - it was laden with riches/gold etc - in the scheme of things - Tut was small fry compared to the Khufu.

All we know is that Great Pyramid was constructed by someone with great knowledge and skills it happend in some distant past. I am just 'connecting the dots' from an intense research of mine combined with some insights I've had. Now, follow me...

Great Pyramid is, or rather was, a DEVICE. If you think of it in this category it explains so many things. It's been designed with great engineering skills and manufactured with tremendous mechanical precision and with geometrical perfection. Aligned with N-S magnetic lines of the Earth and placed strategically on very active energetic node of the Earth's Energy Grid. All of that in order make the device functional within the margin of error.

So if it was a functioning device, the obvious question is what was it used for? My speculation is for... interstellar communication. The magnitude of the structure follows the power rule for any transmitter – the bigger the better. It really hard to tell whether the pyramid was specifically a transmitter, a receiver or a modulator. It could have been all of those combined. One thing is clear for me that whatever was in the coffer must have been the source of vibration (maybe it was some hi-tech alien gadget but it is not important at this point).

The point is that when the Sarcophagus would vibrate than the whole chamber would amplify that vibration. The whole structure is free standing, as if suspended in space. The floor acts as an active membrane of that huge loudspeaker and the waves bounce back and forth as they are reflected from the top and bottom sides of the chamber. The ceiling is a passive membrane and the stacked slabs above the chamber (with flat bottoms) serve as another resonator cavity for certain set of frequencies (probably harmonic to the main one). This is then further amplified in the grand gallery which is the main resonant engine which sets the whole pyramid into vibration not only up an down but what is more important in the exact North and South axis!

Now up and down motion of the pyramid causes like motion of a 'fire' (pyra) that's in the 'middle' of every geometric pyramid aligned N-S. It is this focused 'fiery' vortex of energy in the exact location of King's Chamber that MODULATE natural vibration of the Earth's Energy Grid. By doing so the whole body of the earth can be used as spherical antenna of a scalar signal which maybe just a type of carrier frequency. But there is another aspect of magnetic resonance modulation of hydrogen atoms (proton resonance) that filled the grand gallery (there is evidence for that) being used as another carrier frequency for transmitting/receiving of information.

It is totally different, yet plausible way of a hyper-dimensional, INSTANT communication, within the Galaxy maybe, or maybe even within the Universe?

Now how could Egyptians have made that happen, ha?

P.S. Electro-Magnetic waves for communication... hehehe That's sooo 'Stone Age' SETI is pointless...

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Ivana-

I've challenged Mr Hans before on the C14 dating. After sometime he was unable to answer my arguments and just dismissed me to The Hall of Maat. And you know in the midst of our debate he also cited to me the two tests that were done and kept defending it even though I pointed out some holes. Like for instance:

No tests were conducted on material from the INTERIOR of the GP. All tests were from organic compounds taken from the EXTERIOR...hmm that's curious. So fair enough to say we're not getting a complete picture here. The samples found at or near the very top tended to be older, MUCH OLDER.. thats weird.

If you ask me not enough samples were taken for use in both tests... There were plenty of anomalous results ( even in the 2nd test) that got lost in the average...

You may've heard of the Dixon Relics, if not look them up. They consist of wooden and metalic pieces (maybe of some sort of measuring device) found lodged in one of the so called air shafts of the GP. Surely you can date the wooden rod--- guess what Hawass didn't find it necessary to date it... wonder why that is?






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For what it's worth, it was not built by slaves. That was the old idea. Evidence now suggests it was not only a voluntary workforce, but it was considered an honor and a privilege to be involved. And workers came from across the country, not just locals. So it was almost a nationalistic project.

They have plenty of ideas on how they built it. I don't know why some of you say "they have no idea how it was built." That's just not true. They have found inclined brick construction ramps, and transverse timbers used to move the blocks. There have been plenty of tools found, and the idea isn't that complex, any more. They built the ramp up and around, to the top as they worked. Once at the top, they went back down again, placing the layer of harder stone, and the capstone. What you see now is nothing compared to the grandeur that they had when they were made.

As far as the why goes, I don't think it's that difficult to figure out why. You have to remember that to the Egyptians, what happened after you died was more important than what happened when you were alive. Burying entire courts with pharohs is testiment to what they were willing to do, to properly do the thing right.

As far as conspiracy theories goes, I don't think there is anything to the pyramids themselves. However, I *am* interested in the sphinx, it's a mystery. It could suggest humans have been around much, MUCH longer than suggested, which in essence, changes history as a whole. Also, I don't think that empty chamber beneath the front of the great pyramid has been explored yet, I wish they'd get permission to dig there. I have a feeling something really amazing could be there.