A new idea on how the pyramids were constructed

reply to post by IvanZana


as far as i know the "future telling" aspects of giza rely on the "pyramid inch" devised by isaac newton. if memory serves me correct he damn near drove himself crazy trying to wrap his head around that. i think there have been several pyramid inch measurements created to try and find meaning to it. that should be your answer there.

i think above all, the pyramids were intented to be a monolith. an undeniable object that's expressive enough without having to make any deductions. sort of like the "messages" left at the beginning of close encounters. the huge boat in the mongolian dessert etc.

to me the pyramids are the fringe. all conspiracies begin and end with them. it's too romantic to be true i'd imagine but i don't have anything at stake so who cares. the only thing i'd be dissapointed with about the mids is if it turned out that the leaders of that day were just as corrupt and sinister as the ones today and that we're spending all this time and energy honoring them.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by Mozzy]

Originally posted by Mozzy
reply to post by IvanZana

 

all conspiracies begin and end with them. it's too romantic to be true i'd imagine but i don't have anything at stake so who cares. the only thing i'd be dissapointed with about the mids is if it turned out that the leaders of that day were just as corrupt and sinister as the ones today and that we're spending all this time and energy honoring them.

How true and scarry your reply is. The illuminated ones obviously know something we don't.
I wonder why?

Homer wrote Iliad about the worst scum on the Earth.
Guess what happened?
They were all celebrated as heroes...

reply to post by dooper


Barley/milk/honey bandages?

Oh, you mean like a super glue?

How about the fact that they were practicing brain surgery. Using cutting tools that only recently we have gone back to for plastic surgery?
Eh, I'm not going to argue their medicine, it isn't the point of the thread.

Well, I suppose it is nice to see that someone looked into the inner chambers in relation to this thread.
Unfortunately, it was the person I was backing in the argument. haha.

Seriously though, this "layered" theory simply falls apart when scrutinized in light of everything else Egyptology tells us about the GP.

At best it just illustrates that Egyptologists are ego-centrical and are moving more towards the middle of the debate because they cannot answer the glaring question of time restraints, while at the same time not conceding their point... At worst, it destroys all their credibility because it negates EVERYTHING they have VEHEMINATELY stated to this point.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR


At best it just illustrates that Egyptologists are ego-centrical and are moving more towards the middle of the debate because they cannot answer the glaring question of time restraints, while at the same time not conceding their point... At worst, it destroys all their credibility because it negates EVERYTHING they have VEHEMINATELY stated to this point.

Their beloved c14 tests disprove them

The radiocarbon date of 3809BC on the top of the Great Pyramid is strong evidence that the structure was already finished by that date. Most of the other dates cluster around the 3100-2800BC timeframe. This proves then that the mortar was not used in the construction phase of the pyramid because the pyramid was already finished by 3809BC. The 300 year time span of 3100-2800BC, which dates the mortar found on the pyramid, proves that the casing stones were already removed by that timeframe. There can be no other conclusion from the data presented. If the mortar found throughout the pyramid is dated from 3100-2800BC and yet the pyramid was already finished by 3809BC, what other conclusion can you draw? The casing stones must have been removed prior to 3100BC.

Research more here cycle-of-time.net...

reply to post by Jay-in-AR

My original point that you apparently didn't read, was that these primitive farmers suddenly got a dose of engineering brilliance? While all other social developments that deal with the sciences suffered?

As far as primitive brain surgery, this was also common practice in Meso-America, and they have hundreds of skulls with "healed" holes in their heads to prove their successes.

And from my own personal observation, and I'm sure you could agree, there's a lot of folks that post on ATS where you could open up their squashes, look around, and not hurt a damned thing on them, either.

Apparently, for a lot of folks, brain surgery is not exactly brain surgery.

You should view Nassim Harameins theory about the pyramids.




A healty experience would be to view the entire lecture, whereas he connects like, everything.

Also, I have yet to see someone trying to debunk anything of what he says.

"slaves"?

Look, every egyptian had their "usual jobs" and then, free willing, after work they would all "give a hand" or "did their part" to the glory of egypt so they worked on the constructions as "part time". Like for instance, every american after work now would, lets say, help in the construction of a new World Trade Center because they wanted to, because they wanted to contribute directly to the "american pride".

The regular workers were paid.

Slaves were a TINY minority just because I dont want to call it a factual error cause certainly there were criminals forced to work and some "personas non gratas" as well, still thinking egypt is founded using slavery is pretty much a common misconception.

Unless of course you're studying egypt from some religious books... If that is the case, then yes, they were slaves and then came a man that wanted them free, then he cursed egypt and then came the wrath of God and everyone escaped and egypt faced all the curses and the Faraoh's son died and ... well you get the picture...

Some people hold the odd idea that scientists, and in this thread Egyptologist are a monolistic block of people who all hold the same thoughts, care nothing for science, and are egocentric, nothing could be further from the truth. What we know about the Egyptians came from their centuries of work, not fringe books. They are well aware of the weaknesses and areas were knowledge is weak-one can see that in there own communications. The greatest single strenght they have however, and the single greatest weakness that many fringe believers have, is there understanding of the Egyptian culture. If you don't understand the context in which an idea or concept has come from its very easy to misinterpret it. Cherry picking data and removing it from the context of AE culture is a sure way to get it wrong.

The C-14 tests

Carbon 14 dating of organic material found in the mortar of the joints of the outside blocks of the pyramids which was carried out on two occasions.

The first was in 1984, funded by the Edgar Cayce Foundation and tested at the Southern Methodist University by Dr. Herbert Hass and also at the Eidgennossische Technische Hochschule laboratory in Zurich by Dr. Willi Wolfi.

The second was in 1995, funded by the businessman David H. Koch (see 'Dating the Pyramids' in Archaeology, vol.52, No.5, Sept/Oct. 1999).

A summary of the results can be found here

The two C-14 test programs

In 1984 we conducted radiocarbon dating on material from Egyptian Old Kingdom monuments We then compared our results with the mid-point dates of the kings to whom the monuments belonged

The average radiocarbon dates were 374 years earlier than expected.

In spite of this discrepancy, the radiocarbon dates confirmed that the Great Pyramid belonged to the historical era studied by Egyptologists.

It may have been premature to dismiss the old wood problem in our 1984 study. Radiocarbon dating can only tell us when a tree died, not when it was last used. Wood may lay around for centuries before being burned, especially in a dry climate like Egypt.

Other comments:

Yes the Egyptians used a type of required or forced labor which in modern times was called corvee, or free labor for the landowner. However they were not slaves and they may have worked during the period of the year when the Nile had flooded an normal agricultural work wasn't possible

Pyramids the center of conspiracy - only in the modern age and for some reason the fringe has concentrated on just those few on Giza. The other pyramids around the world are rather neglected.

When comparing the carbon dates one has to combine the data from both studies. Plus the C-14 dates in Egypt have never been calibrated as they were with the C-14 in the SW of America with tree ring, (dendrochronology) verification. In the SW the C-14 dates were shown to be too old. There isn't sufficient old wood in Egypt to do the same type of calibration. Therefore the C-14 dates will tend to be older.

I might be late, but if you haven't seen Nassim Harameins theory on this subject and everything connected, you should. It would be a healthy experience.






I suggest you view the full lecture. As it will connect everything and strengthen his theory about the subject pyramids.
I have yet to see someone trying to debunk anything of what he says.

IMO without a shadow of doubt they were built by non terrestrials i.e no of this earth, the egyptians knew this and tried in vain to mimic their "gods" unfortunately to no avail.

My mind races when I think what the ebe's showed them before they left for pastures new. The egytpians probably worked or coexisted on this planet with them for many years.

I believe pyramids were built to activate some form of energy device and definately not for the purpose of being made in to tombs.

No mummy or other human remains were ever found in the Great Pyramid.yahoo



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