Originally posted by Sonya610

To the anon person that said "abortion always leaves permanent scars". That is absolutely NOT true. Maybe for some people, but it is surely not a life changing horrid experience that haunts every woman for a lifetime. The anti-abortionists just like to pretend that it is.


[edit on 11-12-2008 by Sonya610]

It's hard to quantify because I have known women with the whole spectrum of emotions.

Those like you who do not have lasting effects and those who are absolutely devestated.

I do wonder why there is such a spread.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by asmeone2]

Originally posted by asmeone2It's hard to quantify because I have known women with the whole spectrum of emotions.

Those like you who do not have lasting effects and those who are absolutely devestated.

I do wonder why there is such a spread.

Well I suppose some of it could be hormones, but those will pass. I think it depends on ones views of life/death/religion, and whether the woman really likes or wants children. Plus the stage of the pregnancy and the length of time they debate the procedure probably also plays into it.

Personally I am not disassociated from death in other ways, i have grieved intensely over the loss of close companion animals. Grief can have a lot to do with pure symbolism, or the quality of the relationship. Somethings hit hard, some just don't.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by Sonya610]

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

Am I pro-life? Well speaking as an adopted child, I'm sure as heck glad I'm alive! Hell, if my birth mother had decided to end my life.. I would have fought those neck snapping scissors to the death! ...but of course I wouldn't have been able to because babies are helpless.

You know, it's wonderful that you were born, and I'm glad that you are so glad to be here, but the neck snapping scissors comment is just ridiculous. It's not as if a woman wakes up one day at 8 or 9 months pregnant and says "You know, I just don't think I want to be pregnant any more." I mean, they might, but at that point, you just hope you go into labor sooner rather than later. You don't just truck yourself down to the clinic to have an abortion. And, even if you did, I doubt the average clinic that provides abortions would do it. There are laws in most states that regulate at what gestational age a fetus is legal to be aborted, and if you can seek a partial birth abortion, it is due to serious health concerns, not just some stupid whim. That idea is simply ridiculous!

People have such a terrible misconception of what abortion is like. 99% of all abortions take place before 20 weeks, first of all. Something like 53% are before 8 weeks. Now, before someone jumps all over me and tells me that a baby has a beating heart at 18 days or something like that, I'd like to remind you that bugs, chickens, cows, etc. have not only a beating heart, but also a brain and a fully developed nervous system, very much unlike a zygote, embryo or fetus, yet most here don't hesitate to squash them underfoot or eat them, do you? And, their deaths are usually more violent and traumatic than any abortion could ever be.

So, all you rabid pro lifers out there , well you damn well better be rabid vegetarians as well.

I also agree that rape is a terrible thing... but why should the baby have to suffer to? Why add to the crime by killing the kid to? Again plenty of great couples out there want kids but aren't able to have them! (like my own parents) Imagine turning something horrible (like rape) around to something very VERY special (the gift of a child).

Again, you are assuming. No one has proven definitively that the baby does suffer. As I have stated before, the neurotransmitter needed to feel pain is not produced by fetuses before 20 weeks of gestation. Therefore, it would stand to reason that abortion is not painful for fetuses aborted before this stage. I say, why punish the woman (again, as if the rape in itself isn't bad enough) and everyone who knows and loves her by forcing her to bear a symbol of hatred and violence? It just doesn't make sense to me. Hasn't the rape victim been through enough already? But, typical attitude of closed minded individuals, to devalue the life of the woman in favor of something that can't even be defined as a person under the US constitution. Shoot, even God in the old testament required the Isrealites to only pay monetary damages to anyone caused to miscarry by another person. If an unborn baby is so valuable to God, why didn't he require an eye for an eye as per usual?

Originally posted by Aermacchi
The fact is once their is a life depending on that woman to survive, how anyone can talk so cavalier about ending that infants life in contrast to what the mother may be depressed about later?? Ha ha

Infant? Wait...I am confused. Is this thread about abortion or infantacide? Killing the offspring after birth would be killing an "infant".

The vast majority of abortions destroy embryos (The term, embryo, is used to describe the early stages of fetal growth, from conception to the eighth week of pregnancy).

I can honestly say adoption was the best thing to ever happen to me, I was adopted at birth,am 36 years old and have no desire to meet or even know who my biological parents are. My life has never been easy but life never is.I for one am sooo! tired of people who think their birth parents are the answers to all their problems there was a reason I was given up and whatever that reason was I am glad my birth mother decided not to abort. Please get over it people. Everything in life happens for a reason call it God, fate, whatever. i am not trying to be heartless but if you spend your entire life looking back, you're going to miss whats happening now and now is all that matters, now is what you can do something about (as painful as it may be put the past behind you because there is nothing you can do to change it.)

Yes, even beyond the point where the majority survive if born live. In Canada, the first trimester is the target for abortions, theres far too much brain development to even consider it past that stage. The actual target date is 6 weeks being ideal.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by chickenshoes
these fertilized eggs were all at one time potential baby chickens, which have been essentially aborted by you, the consumer.

Wouldn't that be 'killed'. We killed the unborn chicken. The chicken itself didnt' rip the egg out of her womb in an effort to destroy her unborn chick.

Actually, abortion is the correct term for a pregnancy which come to an end at an early stage of development, and does not result in a live birth. It does not necessarily refer to someone voluntarily choosing to end a pregnancy. It can also refer to miscarriage.

As far as I can see, humans are the only animals to pull our own children out of our wombs and kill them.

While animals may not actually pull their offspring out of their womb, there are many many documented accounts among all species of animals of the mothers killing their own young shortly after birth.

As a vet tech, I myself have seen this very thing on numerous occasions. Occasionally, inexperienced mother cats will kill their entire litters shortly after giving birth, sometimes they will kill only one or two kittens.

At any rate - eating chicken eggs is not the same as humans committing abortion. The egg isn't a thoughtout abortion by the chicken. It's just laying an egg as is natural.

Here again, abortion doesn't have to be "premeditated", it can simply refer to the premature ending of a pregnancy.

However, I would say that breaking open a fertilized egg and cooking it is always premeditated by the person intending on eating it.

Originally posted by asmeone2

Personally I am sick and tired of adoption being touted as a panacea solution for unwanted pregnancies.

It is extremely easy NOT to get pregnant.
Even if one has sex it is extremely easy to NOT get pregnant.

I feel that perhaps there is a lack of education, (and a lack of control & discretion), as people seem to think that getting pregnant is a hit or miss thing.

Peace

dAlen

[edit on 12-12-2008 by dAlen]

Originally posted by dAlen
It is extremely easy NOT to get pregnant.
Even if one has sex it is extremely easy to NOT get pregnant.

LOL...what an arrogant, yet also ignorant, statement!

Functional reproductive systems are a dangerous thing, people that are sexually active are quite likely to have a slip up over the years. Given enough time it probably WILL happen if both are fertile and active.

Not spilling coffee on your keyboard is also "very easy". People successfully drink gallons of coffee without one drop hitting the keyboard, but do it long enough and one day SPLASH!