TA-THREATS: Cuba 'bioterror threat to US'

According to undersecretary of state for arms control and international security John Bolton; that the island "remains a terrorist and (biological weapons) threat to the United States".

"I believe the case for the existence of a developmental Cuba (biological weapons research and development) effort is strong," Bolton said.

Bolton's charge came as part of a 25-page written statement on the development and spread of nuclear, chemical and biological arms, despite the fact the Bush administration gently backed away from the same allegations after Bolton made them in May 2002 and did not offer evidence.

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Is anyone actually buying this story?

What do you guys think?

Is it BS?

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Ocelot]

Cuba..... whoaa.... should be scary.

Sounds like B.S. to me.

Definatly sounds like BS, Cuba is a very weak country. If the tried to attack us it would bw great because we would take over and get a beautful new state.

I doubt its real, look at a certain Middle East nation that they said was developing bio weps.

In the last 4 years, it seems there is this whole paranoid, "The world is out to get us," syndrome going on. Thanks Bush...

It is no paranoia. In many instances Castro has spoken against the US and it is known that he has helped terrorists against the US. It is no secret. He has sent many of his people to train and help terrorists of all sorts. That's one way he gets money and support.

At least two of my uncles that still live in Cuba were sent to Angola and to other "dictators" to help them, and people have to do what they are told or they spend all their lives in jail, or they end up dissapearing.

Ever since the "bay of pigs" incident the US has not made any direct threats to Castro, althou many countries have asked this dictator to respect the human rights of the people, but he doesn't listen to anyone.

If you really want to see human rights being trampled on research what is happening in that country. Another great contribution of the socialists and the communists to human kind.

It has been longer than 4 years that we have proof that there are countries and people that hate us, and want to see the US destroyed, simply because they want to rule with their form of government "socialism/communism."

To these people any form of government that is not similar to their own is a threat. Look at the threats China has given the US and the US has never threatened China that we will attack her, but they have plans to attack the US.

I have posted in the past links where those in power in China have made direct threats to the US. Saying that "war with the United States" will happen in the future. While we, the US, are trying to make peace with them.

Half of my family lives in Cuba, my other half is from Spain. My great-grand parents on both sides of my family were from Spain and Tenerife, one of the Canary Islands. They left to avoid the Spanish revolution and had families in Cuba. I was born there until i was 7 years old, then we went to Spain as our other half of the family in Spain helped us to leave the dictator's island, and it is his island.

Last time i was in Cuba in 2001, I saw how Cuba is now. There is trash on the streets that is not taken care of, so this trash is on the streets and it keeps accumulating. People don't get enough food from "the state" and they have to fend for themselves, some people steal, while others make "deals" on the streets for "food."

Many young women have to sell their bodies to "tourists" from all over the world to be able to buy food and feed their families.

I have also heard first hand how people feel and what they talk about when "Castro's people" are not around.

Even in Cuba people know that Castro is doing everything possible to attack the US. How many spies have we found in the US that infiltrated many agencies of the government? Do a search on the net and you will be shocked of what you will find.

Castro is helping terrorrists, and he wants the US destroyed. Has everyone forgotten the recent remarks of Chavez, another communist/socialist dictator hinting "Lets see who lasts longer, Bush and the US or us..."

Are people so blind of what is happening around the world that they don't see "there really are people out there that want to see the way of life of the US change for worse, and they will try everything to accomplish it?"

These same people have already won in Spain and they will continue their fight until either the whole world is "socialist/communist" or they are dealt with.

Originally posted by Muaddib
To these people any form of government that is not similar to their own is a threat.

That sounds like another country I know.

Look at the threats China has given the US and the US has never threatened China that we will attack her, but they have plans to attack the US.

As part of his proposed reforms, Rumsfied and another Pentagon official had named the "Pacific Ocean as the most likely theater of major military operations, as China becomes more powerful," the paper said.

Such a step would reorient the post-World War II focus away from keeping peace in Europe and deterring Russia, towards emerging China.

edition.cnn.com...

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by Muaddib
To these people any form of government that is not similar to their own is a threat.

That sounds like another country I know.

So, now you are saying we shouldn't have done anything "after we were attacked on US soil"?

We did not start this war, terrorists and those who "keep" funding terrorists did.

We gave Saddam an ultimatum to let the "weapons inspectors" in those factories that he was denying them access to. Why would he deny access to those factories? It was part of the treaty and he has shown in the past he would use any weapons he would build not only against his own people but against other countries.

Look at the threats China has given the US and the US has never threatened China that we will attack her, but they have plans to attack the US.

As part of his proposed reforms, Rumsfied and another Pentagon official had named the "Pacific Ocean as the most likely theater of major military operations, as China becomes more powerful," the paper said.

Such a step would reorient the post-World War II focus away from keeping peace in Europe and deterring Russia, towards emerging China.

edition.cnn.com...

Is this the same as saying literally "A war with the US will happen in the future."

What did you think we would do after China has made threat after threat to the US?

You want us to be submissive to the Chinese now?

I wasn't referring to Iraq or the war against terrorism.
I was referring to war against Communism which has been going on for decades.

Originally posted by MuaddibIs this the same as saying literally "A war with the US will happen in the future."

Can you post a link to that so I can see the date that statement was made?

Cuba has been making anti-American statements ever since the 60's and nothing has happened.

So which country then were you talking about?

It is normal for the US to make moves and make sure the Chinese don't try anything, after all the direct threats of attacks against the US.

And you are right, we have been fighting communism/socialism for a very long time.

Illmatic, so i guess all those spies we have found working in the government and giving information to Cuba don't exist?

U.S. immigration official allegedly spied for Cuba
Relations between nations already tense over Cuban boy's fate
February 18, 2000
MIAMI (CNN) -- A senior U.S. immigration official in Miami, a supervisor who had access to classified information about Cuban defectors, is under arrest on charges he spied for Fidel Castro's government.

Mariano Faget, 54, a native of Havana, is due in a Miami courtroom Friday.

He is being held at the Federal Detention Center in Miami, charged with violating the Espionage Act and making false statements.

Excerpt taken from.
www.jonathanpollard.org...

TextUS versus Cuba - the big roundup: FBI arrest 10 spies
Fall 1998 - Marcelo Fernandez-Zayas - Guaracabuya/Friends of Peace
INTRODUCTION

We are witnessing a case of espionage without precedent in the United States. Due to its complexity, magnitude and consequences for the present and the future, this case is expected to follow a long judicial process: both civil and criminal. This process probably will be longer than the tenure of the current Cuban government. We warn the reader that at this point it is impossible to reach definite conclusions on this case, because it is still developing, and what is known officially is about "one per cent of the case." What has been revealed up to now represents the minimum for the federal authorities to begin the judicial process against the 10 suspected spies in a court of law. Prosecutors have released just enough information to deny bail and keep the suspects behind bars.

Excerpts taken from.
www.jonathanpollard.org...

SPIES AMONG US


Castro agents keep eye on exiles
By JUAN O. TAMAYO
Herald Staff Writer
When Daniel and Vivian Rafuls came to Miami from Cuba three years ago, they were warmly welcomed by exiles as examples of Fidel Castro supporters who had grown disillusioned with communism.

Daniel, 40, a professor at Cuba's top military college, was soon interviewed on Radio Marti and joined the Cuban Military Research Center, a group of armed forces defectors who study the island's military.

Vivian, 42, who taught atheism at the University of Havana, lectured at a University of Miami seminar on Cuba last year and found work through friends as a substitute teacher at Kinloch Park Elementary.

But the Rafuls got an even warmer welcome when they returned to Cuba.

A ``companero from State Security called a meeting of Vivian's former university co-workers in January and presented her as a ``true revolutionary who had been ``on a mission abroad with her husband, said two Cubans present.

Excerpts taken from.
www.fiu.edu...

Backgrounder On Arrest Of Castro's Pentagon Spy

by Ernesto F. Betancourt

At a time when all US Government energies are supposed to be concentrated on finding bin Laden's terrorist links, it is most revealing that the FBI and the Justice Department decided to proceed with the arrest of Ana Bel�n Montes, the DIA Senior Analyst responsible for Cuban affairs. Usually, when our counterintelligence is monitoring a suspected foreign agent they follow the culprit but do not arrest them. That way they can identify potential additional links. Why was this not done in this case?

There are two possibilities: one, that she could leak to the Cubans relevant information on our intended response who in turn could pass it to bin Laden; the other, that there was a turf battle inside the Administration between the Bush Justice Department and left over elements from the Clinton Administration at the Pentagon on how to deal with Cuba. The first is not easy to be discarded. Granted, Castro is unlikely to be chosen as an ally by bin Laden because he is a deeply religious Islamic fundamentalist who left a comfortable life as a millionaire in Saudi Arabia to combat Communism and the Soviets in Afghanistan, while Fidel Castro gave himself an atheistic and Marxist Constitution and was a Soviet surrogate.

Excerpts taken from.
www.nocastro.com...

Posted on Sun, Mar. 07, 2004


Five Cuban spies appeal long sentences

Hailed as heroes at home, some face life terms

By Catherine Wilson

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


MIAMI - Celebrated as heroes in their homeland, five imprisoned Cuban spies have their own Web sites, CD and logo. One wrote a book of jailhouse poetry. Another is represented by a lawyer who defended the radicals who disrupted the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

The intelligence agents, who claim they were working against U.S.-based terrorists long before Sept. 11, 2001, sit in widely scattered U.S. prisons serving sentences of 15 years to life while attorneys prepare for their appeal Wednesday.

Excerpts taken from.
www.tallahassee.com...

Anyone that speaks publicly against Castro in Cuba is sent to jail as a spy, or killed, and they are never heard from again. They can't write books, make cds, or have any contact with their family.

Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian publicly said: 'War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it. The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war. � We must be prepared to fight for one year, two years, or even longer." (NewsMax.com, 4-9-01).

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www.newsmax.com...

MONDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2001
THE TIMES OF INDIA

ISLAMABAD: Taliban commander-in-chief Jalaluddin Haqqani has claimed that
the militia was "in touch" with China, which was assisting them in the war
against the US.

Before leaving for Afghanistan after holding talks with Pakistani officials
here, Haqqani, who is also the minister for frontier regions, told reporters
"China is still assisting the Taliban in the war against the US".

He further said that the Afghan militia "continued to be in touch with
Beijing." He, however, declined to divulge the nature and quantum of the
assistance being provided by China.

Haqqani, whose visit to Islamabad raised eyebrows, said that China would
react sharply in the longer run as the US would dig in Afghanistan.

Excerpt taken from.
www.tibet.ca...

Chinese Officers Warn That Taiwan Referendum Could Lead to War
By JOSEPH KAHN

Published: December 3, 2003


EIJING, Dec. 3 � Chinese military officers said today that Taiwan's leadership had pushed the island toward the "abyss of war" with its independence drive, making clear that China would consider a popular vote on Taiwan's political status as cause for war.

In lengthy interviews carried prominently by the official New China News Agency and other news outlets, the military officials also said that China would prevent Taiwan from formally declaring independence even if that meant pushing the mainland economy into a recession or destroying its plans to be host to the 2008 Olympics.

Excerpts taken from.
www.nytimes.com...


China has even made references to expand their borders by 1,000 miles beyong what is recognized by most of its neighbors as China's borders.

Beijing creates military monster



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By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
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"Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence. Thus, the highest realization of warfare is to attack the enemy's plans."
-- "The Art of War," Sun Tzu

China has embarked on a major buildup of state-of-the-art military might, including its first aircraft carriers, designed to give the People's Liberation Army capabilities for defeating U.S. forces and threatening U.S. interests in Asia, according to American intelligence officials and China analysts.
. . . . Understanding that buildup and divining the long-term military ambitions of China's secretive leaders are enough to turn even America's top war fighter in the region into a diplomat.
. . . . "Our overall strategy is to deal with China from a position of strength," says Adm. Joseph W. Prueher, commander of the U.S. Pacific Command, the military force responsible for fighting any wars in Asia. "But we also are focusing on what China's interests are and respecting those interests."
. . . . China's strategic intentions "are part of every discussion we have with every nation in the theater," the admiral says.
. . . . Other analysts see China as an emerging superpower and the pre-eminent challenge to U.S. interests in Asia.
. . . . Arthur Waldron, a China specialist at the U.S. Naval War College, sees China's conventional weapons development -- aimed at projecting power far beyond its current limits -- as a concern, exacerbated by signs of "aggressive intent" over Taiwan and the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. China, Taiwan and four other countries in the region claim all or part of the Spratlys.
. . . . China is making claims to national boundaries that extend 1,000 miles beyond those recognized by most of its neighbors and reach as far south as the southern rim of the South China Sea.
. . . . "It's illusory to think they can achieve that by military force, but it's a goal, and they are attempting to structure their forces with that as a target," Mr. Waldron says. "That is something that must cause us concern."

Excerpts taken from.
www.fas.org...

Muaddib,

I admit that Castro is a dictator, but he seems to be a fairly benevolent one. Even our Secretary of State Colin Powell said that Castro has "done good things for his people." There have been at least a couple former CIA agents who have become outspoken critics of US policies toward Cuba and Angola, specifically Phil Agee and John Stockwell. I find that quite significant because the CIA doesn't employ communists and socialists, their people are always right-wingers. These two people became outspoken critics at very great personal risk to themselves and their families because they were disgusted by official US policies toward Cuba and Angola. It seems to me that since the breakup of the Soviet Union, Cuba has been very careful not to antagonize the US and give it any excuse to justify support for a full-scale insurgency against their country. I submit that Bush uses this issue to financially and politically exploit the community of Cuban expatriates who live in Florida. I think you and your family would be better served if the US normalized relations with Cuba and quit antagonizing its people. You seem to be hankering after a war that would jeopardize the lives of your own family.

[Edited on 5-4-2004 by Condorcet]

Since Cuba is 100 miles from the tip of Florida, yeah, I keep one eye on what Castro is doing.

Concordet, with all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about. And whoever says that Castro is a "benevolent dictator" is out of his/her mind. There are no "benevolent dictators," "benevolent" and "dictator" do not mix, is like oil and water.

Whoever is speaking in Favour of Castro, either does not know what is happening in Cuba, or they have been paid off by Castro or others to say such things.

If you would have followed the news on Venezuela, Chavez has used the same tactics, paying off one or two "famous actors" to speak in behalf of him.

That sort of tactics is not new.

Castro has not done anything good for Cuba, what he does is for "himself."

There is food in Cuba, but Castro exports all the food outside of Cuba, to "make money." I have friends and family that tell me that people that harvest fruits and vegetables are watched, and noone can eat any of that food.

Doctors in Cuba have to use a bicycle, if they can find one, to go to work. Yes, the health system in Cuba is free, but they do not have sufficient equipment and most of it is outdated and even rusted.

While i was walking around La Havana, i noticed the lack of cats and other animals, people eat stray animals, also every so often you see the trash is in heaps. The houses are in very bad shape, since people have to find "food" instead of being able to fix their homes.

The only places Castro makes sure are clean are those places reserved for "Tourists." Those are the places that "tourists" that don't have family in Cuba normally go to, that's all.

In Cuba people get the food the "state" thinks they need. Every Cuban citizen has a "book" with the food they can eat in a month, they still have to pay for it. The food given by these "books" doesn't last more than a week, then people have to fend for themselves.

Also in the month that I was there, I saw that the "stores" reserved for the Cuban people were almost empty, but if you have US dollars you can buy food.

Most people in Cuba have family in the States, or any other country and send them money to be able to buy some food.

Please, do not tell me that Castro is a "benevolent" person, because quite frankly you have no idea of what happens in there or what Castro really is.



[Edited on 5-4-2004 by Muaddib]

[Edited on 5-4-2004 by Muaddib]