Michelle Obama Is The "Specifically Named Individual" In The Affidavit Submitted by FBI, page 4
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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 06:28 PM by maybereal11
Originally posted by redhatty
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Maybe you should read the whole indictment before you make such a conclusion. The real good stuff begins about page 60


Redhatty...I have read this indictment in full yesterday and frankly don't have time to re-read it.

Can you please specifically direct me to what damning evidence you believe to be there.

On a side note...I appreciated your argument on the Leo case though I disagree it had merit...so despite you being on the other side of the fence so to speak ...I (at present) have some respect for you.

Please direct me to any specific passages that you believe incrimnate the Pres. Elect or his wife.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by maybereal11]


reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 06:29 PM by Benevolent Heretic
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Well, I read it from page 60 on and I still don't get it... It sounds like they wanted to bribe Obama but...


Later in the conversation, ROD BLAGOJEVICH said he knows
that the President-elect wants Senate Candidate 1 for the Senate seat but “they’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation.


Can you be specific as to what you think this means about Obama, because I'm not getting it.


reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 06:33 PM by maybereal11
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Yes BH...I read the whole indictment yesterday. Blago went as far as to call the Pres. Elect a "Mother(bleeper)" and said "(bleep) him" because he wasn't offering anything beyond "appreciation" if Blago appointed his recommendation.

Until I see any evidence to the contrary this thread looks to be yet another lame excuse for an Obama hate fest.



reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 06:46 PM by maybereal11
Originally posted by redhatty
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post by maybereal11



Maybe you should read the whole indictment before you make such a conclusion. The real good stuff begins about page 60


Also...I honestly don't get why you are getting stars because you directed me to the idictment? It doesn't say anything incriminating. If anything it proves Obama WASN'T involved.

I swear sometimes the Obama-bashing crew reminds me of giddy drunks in a bar slapping eachother on the back for spouting gibberish.

Show me something in that indictment that incriminates Obama and I personally will give you a star.


reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 06:49 PM by redhatty
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The title of the thread is not clear enough? Michelle Obama Is The "Specifically Named Individual" On Page 64

Michelle Obama had been a director of TreeHouse Foods since June 27, 2005. She resigned from the position on May 22, 2007, eight days after husband said he would not shop at the anti-union store. 10 days after This Telegraph report

From NoQuarterUSA:
Michelle Obama is the “specifically named individual” who was able to sit on corporate boards, although she lacks the experience of Blagojevich’s wife. And notice how Michelle Obama’s position with the WAL-MART vendor helped alleviate the “financial stress” of the Obama family at a time when they were purchasing a mansion from Rezko they could not afford.


From page 57 of the indictment:
ROD BLAGOJEVICH has also been intercepted conspiring to sell the Senate seat in exchange for his wife’s placement on paid corporate boards


Again from NoQuarterUSA
Michelle Obama, Blagojevich implies, received an appointment to a Board for which she was not qualified as a result of a “pay to play” scheme. What about his wife? After all, Obama ally Valerie Jarrett wants the Senate seat. What about Blagojevich’s wife? What about Blagojevich’s “financial stress?”

Blagojevich and his advisers only thought of this as a possibility, for they know Obama has already played the game. Again, these are smart men who know the rules of the game. Why else would they think Obama would participate in a “pay to play” scheme? Michelle was paid for someone to play, they thought. What about Mrs. Blagojevich? Besides, Mrs. Blagojevich has a Series 7 license. All Michelle has is a license to practice law that was revoked as a result of a court order in 1993.

Blagojevich thought Obama would “pay to play,” as the Obamas have been engaged in “pay to play” schemes in the past. That is what Blagojevich thought, and that is why the Obamas are yet again mentioned in a complaint filed in a Court of law.


What part are you not understanding?


reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 07:00 PM by maybereal11
Originally posted by redhatty
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post by Benevolent Heretic



The title of the thread is not clear enough? Michelle Obama Is The "Specifically Named Individual" On Page 64


What part are you not understanding?


I am not understanding how you are taking someone's opinion, both the authors and Blago's and trying to turn it into a conspiracy.

The author you site is inter-mixing the indictment, Blago's statements and his opinion without distinguishing between the three giving the impression that this is what the idictment outlines.

Yes Blago complained about financial stress on his family in the wire-taps.
Yes he said his wife was more suited to sit on a board than (assume:M.Obama)
No he wasn't correct about that. Blago is an idiot and delusional
Maybe Blago assumed that Michele Obama was unqualified. BAD assumption. Like I pointed out earlier, she graduated cum laude from Princeton and has a JD from Harvard..I think she has better credentials than the rest of the Board.

By the way...Her sitting on the board and then resigning IS NOT NEWS. It has been around for a year now.

What is the REVELATION you folks are going on about?

ALL I see is unfounded INSINUATION and predictable spin on a story that has been around for a year.



[edit on 10-12-2008 by maybereal11]


reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 07:03 PM by redhatty
reply to post by maybereal11



This is in the Breaking Alternative News Board, not the Political Conspiracies board.

Who is turning it into a conspiracy?

How is NoQuarterUSA's connection of the dots to identify Michelle Obama as the "specifically named individual" a conspiracy?

Attack the message all you want, please stop attacking the messenger


reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 07:09 PM by Lokey13
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Absolutely perfectly put, this is just another hoopla over something that could amount to nothing. The still underlining quote was that Obama wouldnt offer anything but appreciation; I'd say that sums it up.


reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 07:14 PM by PowerSlave
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The same old strategy of ..well there are just so many right wing rumors and attacks...who cares if any of them are true...there are just so many...Obama must be bad.

Your thinking is better suited for a high school popularity contest than ATS.



Seems I am too stupid to understand your vast intellect. Could you please explain in highschool terms how this would pertain to a highschool popularity contest.

I was simply pointing out that trouble seems to be finding him. I didn't even say he was guilty of anything, and still you insist on personally attacking me. Speaking of highschool........


reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 07:15 PM by maybereal11
Originally posted by redhatty
Maybe maybereal & BH need to go back and re-read the OP.

I clearly state "If all this is true, there is no way we can honestly believe that Obama was completely unaware, or not a part in any way of the "pay-to-play" schemes in Illinois."

Please, I respect both of you, and don't see why you are asking me to prove something different that what I have clearly stated.

Maybereal asks "Please direct me to any specific passages that you believe incrimnate the Pres. Elect or his wife." BH asks "Can you be specific as to what you think this means about Obama, because I'm not getting it. " See 2 sentences above.



Okay redhatty.....You say
Apparently Blago (through comments on indictment) thought that Michelle Obama's placement on the board of TreeHouse Foods was a pay-to-play "thing."

This is an assumption that he infered this by making the comparison to his wife. Lets play along with the idea that is what Blago was saying... Blago also thought he could still have these conversations while being aware the feds were investigating him. He also discusses running for president despite being under federal investigation. He also tried to sell a US Senate seat for cripes sake.....The man is delusional. I live in Chicago. We all have known for years that he is out of his gord. I could care less about Blago's opinion as to why Michelle Obama was appointed to that board.

You also say...
I clearly state "If all this is true, there is no way we can honestly believe that Obama was completely unaware, or not a part in any way of the "pay-to-play" schemes in Illinois."

Obama was AWARE of pay-to-play in Chicago. I and every citizen of Chicago is aware of the corruption...

but him being part of it is pure speculation and in my opinion very poorly founded speculation based on the inference of what a corrupt Govenor might have implied in a snarky comment.

Has everyone skipped the passage where Blago curses Obama out for not being corrupt???

The Feds have clearly and publically stated that their wire-taps show that Obama is in no way involved. The transcripts show the same. Yet you choose to reach and extrapolate on what Blago might have inferred and sieze on it as evidence? And ignore the part of the transcript where Blago curses obama out for not being corrupt???

Have at it guys. Enjoy the hate-fest...don't let evidence get in you way.


reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 07:19 PM by maybereal11
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My bad. I re-read your post and I take you at your word that you were just making an observation. Apologies..I mistakenly assumed that you were making a case when apparently you were just expressing an opinion.


reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 07:54 PM by Gregarious
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Well, Icky Micky, I suggest you slow down on drinkin that green stuff, it is obviously a strong proof. 'Guilt by Association' is one thing, 'accomplice to a crime' is a whole other ball of wax. You are correct about just easing off on Obama, tho. If he is as rotten as some think, it will only be time, hopefully before next week, before he does something that will indict himself publically. A politician like that has no privacy, and is in view of the whole world, 24/7. He is not used to that, and will continue whatever he has been doing. If noone says anything on here, he will still be revealed for the real person he is.


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