You know something is a scam if people keep trying to sell it to you repeatedly under different names:

Global Cooling.....Global Warming.....Climate Change.....

With Gimmicks:

"carbon footprints", "carbon offsets",

If you have to change the name of the same old thing to sell it, its probably not something worth buying into.

I'm going out to burn some tires and leave some carbon footprints........

MANBEARPIG is real I tell ya!

[edit on 11-12-2008 by CreeWolf]

Originally posted by themamayada
I am not a geologist, but I have 2 theories on global warming. The earth either has a "fever" from all the pollution and yuck we're doing to the planet (could we be like little viruses?)... or... (and I'm female) just like the female body, the body's temperature changes depending upon what part of the "monthly cycle" you are in. Around the time you ovulate (mid-cycle, meaning you can become pregnant) a female's basal body temperature (resting temperature, before arising from bed) goes up almost an entire degree or degree & a half from the norm. And, when you become pregnant, your basal body temperature stays at about a degree higher than "normal." I believe the earth is a living, breathing "body." So if scientists are saying, nope, we're not causing the "fever" on the earth from the polution... then yes, it could simply be the earth is just going through some normal "mid-month" cycle. Granted, the earth's "month" might be several 1000 years in length.

I would add to this that the body temp fluctuates at all times of the day. Noones body temp is ever exactly the same.

Ok there was an Ice age it started to melt then there was a non ice age and we are in it what is so hard to see that the earth is warming but we aint doing it , It was doing it way before humans were here will till it melts or another ice age comes , and what happened to the ice age that was coming in the 70's did I miss that one

Originally posted by mbkennel

Leave Gore out of it. Listen to actual scientists, who have been working on this for decades.

That's what I keep saying: listen to the thousands and thousands of scientists working in the field.

You do not have a hope in hell of convincing the skeptics here to read about the science. They prefer to go to sites like climatesci.org since it allows them to do nothing. By the way ALL the quotes on the senate website come from climatesci.org......now that is most definitely suspicious.

Like any debate the side that is losing the argument starts to get desperate. It is quite clear that the skeptics have hit the desperate button. Stand by for sensationalist claims from the skeptics. I predict a "My life was threatened" from a scientific community skeptic within a year i.e. the demonising of the believers to sway public opinion.

I hope we don't have a thread next week about "650 scientists committed suicide". Bucking the UN does seem to be hazardous to one's health.

Wow... how many brain cells did you kill before you bought their agenda?

Follow the money, people. All regulation has ever done is prop up a certain business. This liberal bent on global warming ("environmental progressivism") is a scam.

The very IC's that poet decries benefit from environmental regulation.

Due to their very nature, IC's can simply leave a country where they lose the competitive edge via one regulation and relocate or vice'versa.

Phillip Morris likes to pass all these regulations on tobacco and chemical additives in cigarettes. Oh my god, they've finally seen the light, right? If you mean, by lobbying Congress to pass regulations that will damage their competition, make them virtual monopolies, thereby making billions in the process, you're correct! It appears their intentions aren't all that altruistic, are they?

Should we all strive for a green economy and a healthy environment? By all means, yes. Whether or not you believe AGW is true is not what is at stake here; it's about giving exclusive regulatory power to an extranational authority , also known as a MONOPOLY.

Let me make it clear another way for all of you. This past Election Day, California recently defeated two scams for "alternative energy", yet it is already the #1 producer of renewable fuels in the U.S.

I'm referring to Prop 7 and 10, both scams to benefit a handful of GW craze piggybackers.

The backers of Prop 7 tried to mandate that 25% of California's energy comes from renewables by 2020. On the surface, that sounds good. Who were the opponents? Chiefly, Edison. Yep, I can hear you liberals jumping for joy now...

Fine, but let's use logic here. Something you guys are very uncomfortable with. By mandating the smaller companies buy energy from "green, renewable" producers, what does this do? It essentially shifts power of the industry, artificially spikes prices, and down the line, costs jobs and contributes to more pollution (since the offenders will merely relocate).

Prop 10 was sponsored by a man I'm sure many of you are familiar with- T. Boone Pickens. Nevermind that prop 10, which was intended to give tax credits to fuel stations of alternative energies like natural gas and electricity, would have exclusively benefited Pickens, as he owns 90% of all alt. fuel stations in California, essentially giving him an extra $5 billion dollars.

Regulation doesn't help adoption. It slows it down. So despite whether you're right or wrong about AGW, liberals, don't make the mistake of proposing a UN court to impose their will on everyone else, or you might as well just take credit for propping up energy-fascist regimes in the future. I know it's asking a lot to go against the fiber of your beliefs, but try to think abstractly for a change.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by SpencerJ]

we need WW3 to destroy everything that the present is and built the new present from scratch, forgetting all that was in the past..

even if the climate change isn't taking place,
we still face the shortage of world resources,
and the cities are deconstructing themselves all the time
people are degrading,
no one cares about the sustainability issues, yes CO2 is not the cause for the temperature differences, but it definetely affects the air we breath, all this pollution, radiation, medication - caused mutations in living beings
people do not cherish what they have anymore - be it fellow human beings, animals, food they eat, environment they live in.

well WW3 probably will not be able to change everything, it might even change things to the worst, but we can give it a try, if noone has strength to improve themselves

Originally posted by ll__raine__ll


so they're basically admitting their findings were for sale? how do we know someone else isn't paying them to say the opposite now?

indeed, hence I dont buy into it either way, and I sure as # dont need lectured by eco fascists and taxed by nerfarious govts over it

and also, in my country it is bloody cold, unusually so, more people will die when it is unusually cold I might add

Bloody scam promoted by cowards and charlatans and jumped on by frustrated marxists

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what i find fascinating is the speed at which the governing bodys with the official line of GW, clamour to put there GW theorys into schools and the rest of society, when it was simply a theory to begin with, but making very deep impacting legislation for it to boot.

i agree with the previous poster fully when he or she said 'you know when its a scam when they keep changing the name for it' and true if you follow the money it comes pretty apparent who benefits here.

of course we would do well to not harm the environment and we should treat the earth and our surroundings, as well as each other with the utmost respect. of course we need to use alt energy sources that are less harmfull.

the real dispute here is the fact that the public have been sold a myth that man is the direct contributer to GW, and then the guilt rests on society and people start to feel bad about the world they live in and all the rest of it.

it seems it hits many things all at the same time, much the same war does too - like say they have an advancing agenda to take over a country, they'll be turning a profit simultaneously.

here we see the same thing from the Neo-cons - spread fear, guilt & desperation about the direct affect EVERYONE in the world is contributing to GW, then tax the hell out the world in the process, introduce new legislation and ultimately shave off a few more basic rights and freedoms, simultaneously disinforming the kids too.