Humans Nearly Wiped Out 70,000 Years Ago, study says

Howdy Ivan

I'm afraid you've fallen victim of fringe writers, you must know by now that they don't actually tell the truth don't you?



The problem with above ground pyramids is they are large sign saying, "loot me"...and people did. Even when then moved to below ground sites, they were still looted, even old Tut lost a few items although the main chambers remained undetected.

When discussing a culture the three main things to keep in mind are, context, context and if you forget the first the third will remind yuou context.

The Egyptians were very concerned with death and survival of the body, they built the pyramids to support that idea and to give an indication of the power of ruler on earth-and the hereafter. The fact that the pyramids were built during the time of AE (speaking just of AE pyramids) and they built large necropolis and temples to support their pharoah around the pyramids and the workers seemed to think they were building the pyramids. One can suppose they did built the pyramids for the reasons that were important to them.

Bits and pieces have been found in Sneferu's pyramid. I'm overseas at the moment so I don't have my easy to access -pyramids as tombs evidence sheet, but body parts have been found, along with sarcophagus but in general as the mummy contained valuables the looters tended to burn them.

As Bryd noted, pyramids don't have any other useful purpose other than as tombs (for the Egyptians) and as tombs and temples for Aztecs and Maya

THE GREAT TOMB ROBBERIES OF THE TWENTIETH EGYPTIAN DYNASTY, T. ERIC PEET, p. 48, this a document from the 20th dynasty about the robbers who were caught robbing......a pyramid






Now in the following image - go to line six and eight - see the pyramid with a wall around it.....that is the symbol for pyramid-tomb......



So....the big buildings with the mortuary temples, sarcophagi, and tombs of their family members surrounding them will have to suffice.

...and of course, the pyramid of princess Neferuptah, daughter of Amenemhet III, found in 1955 and opened in 1956. The sarcophagus was 9 feet long, and when opened was almost entirely full of water. After the water was siphoned off There were bits of jewelry, but the body had almost totally dissolved in the water, chemical analysis showed it contained the chemical signature of a human body.


One long thread on this subject at the Hall of Ma'at

Hall of Ma'at the pyramids as tombs question

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No body has been found in the great pyramid or any evidence that supports the theory that it was for a kings dead body. Yes there is a valley of the kings which were built by the egyptians and far away from Gizah. The great pyramid was not built for the lousy reasons you have come up with.
" Easiest way to pile rocks" "a nice resting place for a king". Research han instead of regurgitating 70's history books.



Han you have a problem with dicerning truth from garbage.

I have wiki too and all your information pertaining from the topic at hand is lifted from pages like wikipedia or the history channel. . Yawn.

The topic is that civilization was almost wiped out 70,000 years ago. Are you having a hard time agreeing with me or is your ad-hominen attacks against me the only way you can show your pseudo-knowledge on the subject?




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Hans: Yes they have, read the materials above. It helps to actually read what others post before you reject it -don’t you think?



Hans: Sorry Ivan they are not my reasons, they are science, something you seem to know little about. Facts and evidence versus your imagination-quite a battle huh?




Hans: Okay tell us the easiest way to raise a point higher than ground level. Which will not collapse-we await your esteemed creation, lol...do you actually set out to put yourself into these embarassing cul de sacs?



Hans: Actually Egyptology has been studied for over 240 years, you are rejecting lots and lots of stuff you don’t know aren’t you?




Hans: Translation: Ivan: Anything I want to believe is the truth all else which I don’t understand is garbage. That is rather sad don’t you think? You should try reading something other than creation sites.



Hans: Sorry those came from Archaeological pages in particular from the Hall of Ma'at - care to prove your accusation or do you just like making stuff up? LoL



Hans: I just like watching you demonstrate your inadequate knowledge in public. Posture on Ivan. Oh and what is the Egyptian hieroglyph for tomb?

You are so funny my friend!

Click here for more information.

So lets see if you can tell us what method you used to dismiss my evidence above.

1. On what evidence did you reject the quotation of the looters from a 20th dynasty document out lining the robbing of a tomb?

2. How did you dismiss the fact that the Egyptian word for Tomb is a sign that looks like a pyramid surrounded by the wall of its mortuary temple?

We'll start with those two and go thru it step by step. We'll just stick to facts, this should be fun. Ready Ivan?

How about - the pyramids were not primarily tombs. But that rooms were made to incorporate the death of the current ruler into the pyramids. A cultural incorporation to symbolize the convergence of the Egypt (in the body of the pharoh) and the pyramid itself?

As a media meme goes to bind people to an idea, that would be a pretty good one.

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From what is seen at the worker's villages the building of the pyramids had the secondary effect of cementing (pun intended) the concept of being Egyptian and being under the care of the Pharaoh.

Is your idea Aeon that the Egyptians dug into an existing structure or that the pyramids had another use and was built for that AND as a tomb?

Dble post

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You first friend, answer me these from above

So lets see if you can tell us what method you used to dismiss my evidence above.

1. On what evidence did you reject the quotation of the looters from a 20th dynasty document out lining the robbing of a tomb?

2. How did you dismiss the fact that the Egyptian word for Tomb is a sign that looks like a pyramid surrounded by the wall of its mortuary temple?

We'll start with those two and go thru it step by step. We'll just stick to facts, this should be fun. Ready Ivan?

Han your successful at bringing nothing new to the table.


You have failed in every thread to prove that the pyramids were built because they were the 'easiet way to pile rock" and "a nice to burry a king" or that they were even built by the egyptians in the dynasty that modern day egyptian claim them to be built.


1. Prove with fact beyond a resonable doubt that Khufu built the pyramids and it was used as a tomb for him in the time given.

2. Prove how the pyramids were built. This should be easy because it was built by less complicated, less advanced people than us long time ago.

3. Prove to me that you are able to form a thought that you can call your own and not some regurgitated text book quote.


Just give us the link to the wiki article instead of an answer.

All of the information you have presented I am looking right at it in my 1967 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica. No joke.

Add: Arguing with you is like me arguing with this 1967 encyclopedia infront of me. Its a book. It exsists. Has lots of things to say but is not right by any streatch of the imagination. Theories and facts seem to be seperated by a cats hair in your case.

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Point of order IvanZana

Let me explain how a discussion takes place

An idea is presented

A counter idea or thoughts are brought out

The first person shows why or for reason they don't agree with what has been presented

You aren't doing that, you are rejecting stuff and failing to explain how and with what evidence you are doing it.

I'll wait until you answers those. I'll also point out that your follow on questions are illogically poised and cannot be, in the way they written, answered successfully. Answer mine first then we'll take you thru the steps on how to ask a real question that will add to the discussion value.


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HAN This is what you believe and have been posting over and over.

- Great earth floods never happened.
- God is not real
- Pyramids were built by egyptians using rope and slave for a tomb
- Mexican pyramid builders were savages that piled rocks in triangualr piles with no astronomical alignment.
- The astrological alignments of the ancient building were for growing crops or by accident.
- The bible is bs.
- Plato talking about the opposite continent is just some greek island in the med.
- Columbus was the first to sail the atlantic in 6000+ years recorded history.
- The knowledge of how to build the pyramids were killed with the builders.
- You know the Pyramid lies in the center of gravity of the continents. It also lies in the exact center of all the land area of the world, dividing the earth's land mass into approximately equal quarters but you scream it was by purely by accident.

I can go on and on and quote some "Gems" from you but i think you have made yourself clear on the level of understanding you can or have obtained.




We Know where you stand han. Its no diffrent than what I believed and taught in grade 3. We all now this. Offer something new or thought provoking. Stroking your ego or regurgitating old material is not enjoyable and doesnt really adhere to the 'Idea' that this website had in mind."

Altnernative theories or explanations.

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Sorry Ivan you haven't been paying attention, most of the ideas you said are mine aren't. You appear to be making stuff up and attributing it to me.

Should I correct you on your errors of my positions? Yes I think I will - but right after you answer the two earlier questions.

I'm not budging IvanZana, discuss, explain and evidence how you rejected those two pieces of evidence above, then we'll do the next to questions, then we'll show you how to write a proper question, then we'll correct your made up stuff about what I've stated.

Okay

I can go back a couple of post and thread an pull out the exact quotes. My point list is simplified for most of your quotes could put some to sleep or have them go elsewhere but I do not want to WASTE anymore of my time or other peoples time.

Get your stuff together. It's ok to be proven wrong HANSLUNE time and time again.

I always wondered how the Flat earthers reacted when their silly logic was thrown to the dogs?

But i am sure your just going to reply with "answer my pointless questions and if you dont that means the egyptians built the pyramids with ropes and slaves, accidently aligning it to the stars, and earth for a king that was not dead yet. Sigh



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Nope IvanZana

Your attempts at deflection aren't working, answer the two questions. Its going to go the way I just explained or its not going to go at all

Are we clear on it? Discuss, explain and offer evidence on the two questions is your first step.

Spoken like a true pseudo-intellect.

I used to believe in santa then common sense took over at a very early age. Meanwhile kids around still believed in Santa. I couldnt break their ignorant hearts. They will grow up eventually.

Dble post. To fast on the send button

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Try answering the two questions IvanZana

Misquoting out of context like a true fringer LOL

Added later

Oh my IvanZana you've gone back and deleted your post, what a moral and intellectual coward you are - yeah right 'dbl' post, one big LOL on that

I just have to laugh at you, I guess in the future we'll have to quote everything you say or you'll cheat again.



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BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE! Han your officially on my and others ignore list. So stay on topic and try to offer somthing with substance to this thread or start another one of your dead end, already known information threads.


The report notes that a separate study by researchers at Stanford University estimated that the number of early humans may have shrunk as low as 2,000 before numbers began to expand again in the early Stone Age.


I wonder how much of some our family trees are riddled with incest.

WOW!. 2000 people. I would like to know how they came to that number.

I have had more people at gigs i used to play as a teen.



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Okay great IvanZana

We'll let you drag your whipped ass out of the fire. Those two questions and the others with it will remain with me. I'll ask you about them in the future.

From now on IvanZana your immature harangue attacks will be met with the same response as here, a demand to answer questions with reason, evidence and logic.

Here's some more data we'll save and throw back at you, read and heed, try and actually understand my positions before you make comments on them - or just ask a question.

- Great earth floods never happened.

Hans: Sure they did, all the time, regional ones, the biblical flood didn’t happen

- God is not real

Hans: I don’t believe in god but I cannot prove he doesn’t exist

- Pyramids were built by egyptians using rope and slave for a tomb

Hans: Got that one slightly off, Yep built by the people who we have actual evidence of being there, with craftsmen and free labourers, yep for a tomb, which fits into their religious beliefs

- Mexican pyramid builders were savages that piled rocks in triangualr piles with no astronomical alignment.

Hans: horribly wrong IvanZana, I started out as a Mayanist, they were quite civilized-in some areas, yep that how they built their pyramids, with limestone blocks piled up – rather neatly arranged wouldn’t you think? Most do have astronomical alignments

- The astrological alignments of the ancient building were for growing crops or by accident.

Hans: In some case yes, farming was the basis of all ancient empires and was a matter of life and death, they paid attention to the seasons

- The bible is bs.

Hans: The bible is a book of wisdom written by a different people, it shouldn’t be taken for scientific truth.

- Plato talking about the opposite continent is just some greek island in the med.

Hans: If you mean Atlantis I think he was talking about Minoan – plus a few more myths thrown in

- Columbus was the first to sail the atlantic in 6000+ years recorded history.

Hans: Nope we know the Norse made it well before that and the Polynesian may have done so too

- The knowledge of how to build the pyramids were killed with the builders.
Hans: The knowledge was lost but we don’t know how, yes it is possible they were killed – but that is speculation

Some added stuff you put into what you think my position are.

- You know the Pyramid lies in the center of gravity of the continents.

Hans: No it doesn’t – take a look at a map

- It also lies in the exact center of all the land area of the world, dividing the earth's land mass into approximately equal quarters but you scream it was by purely by accident.

Hans: No need to scream as that isn’t the case

Ya see IvanZana, see how easy it is to answer stuff.




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