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reply posted on 11-12-2008 @ 03:16 AM by Hanslune
Howdy Ivan

I'm afraid you've fallen victim of fringe writers, you must know by now that they don't actually tell the truth don't you?


There has never been a single tomb of an Old Kingdom pharaoh discovered with a body still in the alleged tomb. As such, this would make for a very lousy means of entombment, if the bodies kept disappearing or being ripped off.


The problem with above ground pyramids is they are large sign saying, "loot me"...and people did. Even when then moved to below ground sites, they were still looted, even old Tut lost a few items although the main chambers remained undetected.

When discussing a culture the three main things to keep in mind are, context, context and if you forget the first the third will remind yuou context.

The Egyptians were very concerned with death and survival of the body, they built the pyramids to support that idea and to give an indication of the power of ruler on earth-and the hereafter. The fact that the pyramids were built during the time of AE (speaking just of AE pyramids) and they built large necropolis and temples to support their pharoah around the pyramids and the workers seemed to think they were building the pyramids. One can suppose they did built the pyramids for the reasons that were important to them.

Bits and pieces have been found in Sneferu's pyramid. I'm overseas at the moment so I don't have my easy to access -pyramids as tombs evidence sheet, but body parts have been found, along with sarcophagus but in general as the mummy contained valuables the looters tended to burn them.

As Bryd noted, pyramids don't have any other useful purpose other than as tombs (for the Egyptians) and as tombs and temples for Aztecs and Maya

THE GREAT TOMB ROBBERIES OF THE TWENTIETH EGYPTIAN DYNASTY, T. ERIC PEET, p. 48, this a document from the 20th dynasty about the robbers who were caught robbing......a pyramid


(We) found the burial-place of the royal wife Nubkhaas
his royal wife in the place. . . its (2) side.3 It was protected and . . . .ed
with plaster and covered with. . .4 We forced it open 5 also and we found her
(3) lying there likewise. We opened their outer coffins and their inner
coffins in which they lay. We found this (4) noble mummy of this king
equipped like a warrior (?).6 A large number of sacred-eye amulets and
ornaments of gold was at his neck, (5) and his headpiece7 of gold was on
him. The noble mummy of this king was all covered with gold, and his
inner coffins (6) were bedizenedg with gold and silver inside and outside
with inlays9 of all kinds of precious stones. We appropriated10 the gold
(7) which we found on this noble mummy of this god and on" his eye
amulets and his ornaments which were at his neck and on the inner coffins
in which he lay. (8) (We) found the royal wife just (?) likewise 12
and we appropriated all that we found on her too. We set fire to their
inner (g) coffins. We stole their outfit which we found with them, consisting
of objects of gold, silver, and bronze, and divided (10) them up
among ourselves. We made this gold which we found on these two gods
and on their mummies, their eye amulets and ornaments and their inner
coffins into eight (parts).


(I) The stone-cutter '4 Hapiro, son of . . .I5 of the temple of Amenrcr
King of the Gods, in charge of this chief priest of Amiin.
(2) The carpenter Irenamiin belonging to the overseer of hunters Nesamiin
of the temple of Amenrer King of the Gods.
(3) The field-labourer Amenemhab of the temple of AmenGpe, who is
employed in the Island of Amen6pe 16 in charge of this chief priest
of Amiin.
(4) The water-bearer Kaemwese of the chapel of King Menkheperurer, in
charge of (sic, ends)
(5) Ahautinufer son of Nekhemmut, who was in the hands of the Nubian
slave Thelamiin belonging to the chief priest of Amiin.
' (6) Total of men who were in the pyramid-tomb of this god, eight. They were examined by beating with the stick, and their feet and hands were twisted.17 (7) They told the same story. The prefect of N6 and vizier
Khaemwese and the royal butler Nesamiin scribe of Pharaoh caused the
thieves to be taken before them (8) to the West of N6 in Year 16, third
month of the inundation season day 19. The thieves pointed out this
pyramid-tomb of this god in which they had violated chambers.18 (9)
Their trial and their doom were set down in writing and a dispatch was sent
to Pharaoh concerning.


Now in the following image - go to line six and eight - see the pyramid with a wall around it.....that is the symbol for pyramid-tomb......



So....the big buildings with the mortuary temples, sarcophagi, and tombs of their family members surrounding them will have to suffice.

...and of course, the pyramid of princess Neferuptah, daughter of Amenemhet III, found in 1955 and opened in 1956. The sarcophagus was 9 feet long, and when opened was almost entirely full of water. After the water was siphoned off There were bits of jewelry, but the body had almost totally dissolved in the water, chemical analysis showed it contained the chemical signature of a human body.


One long thread on this subject at the Hall of Ma'at

Hall of Ma'at the pyramids as tombs question

[edited to add a link]



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reply posted on 11-12-2008 @ 11:27 AM by Hanslune

No body has been found in the great pyramid or any evidence that supports the theory that it was for a kings dead body.


Hans: Yes they have, read the materials above. It helps to actually read what others post before you reject it -don’t you think?


Yes there is a valley of the kings which were built by the egyptians and far away from Gizah. The great pyramid was not built for the lousy reasons you have come up with.


Hans: Sorry Ivan they are not my reasons, they are science, something you seem to know little about. Facts and evidence versus your imagination-quite a battle huh?



" Easiest way to pile rocks" "a nice resting place for a king".


Hans: Okay tell us the easiest way to raise a point higher than ground level. Which will not collapse-we await your esteemed creation, lol...do you actually set out to put yourself into these embarassing cul de sacs?


Research han instead of regurgitating 70's history books.


Hans: Actually Egyptology has been studied for over 240 years, you are rejecting lots and lots of stuff you don’t know aren’t you?



Han you have a problem with dicerning truth from garbage.


Hans: Translation: Ivan: Anything I want to believe is the truth all else which I don’t understand is garbage. That is rather sad don’t you think? You should try reading something other than creation sites.


I have wiki too and all your information pertaining from the topic at hand is lifted from pages like wikipedia or the history channel. . Yawn.


Hans: Sorry those came from Archaeological pages in particular from the Hall of Ma'at - care to prove your accusation or do you just like making stuff up? LoL


The topic is that civilization was almost wiped out 70,000 years ago. Are you having a hard time agreeing with me or is your ad-hominen attacks against me the only way you can show your pseudo-knowledge on the subject?


Hans: I just like watching you demonstrate your inadequate knowledge in public. Posture on Ivan. Oh and what is the Egyptian hieroglyph for tomb?

You are so funny my friend!



reply posted on 11-12-2008 @ 12:58 PM by Hanslune
reply to post by Aeons



From what is seen at the worker's villages the building of the pyramids had the secondary effect of cementing (pun intended) the concept of being Egyptian and being under the care of the Pharaoh.

Is your idea Aeon that the Egyptians dug into an existing structure or that the pyramids had another use and was built for that AND as a tomb?


reply posted on 11-12-2008 @ 01:45 PM by Hanslune
reply to post by IvanZana



Sorry Ivan you haven't been paying attention, most of the ideas you said are mine aren't. You appear to be making stuff up and attributing it to me.

Should I correct you on your errors of my positions? Yes I think I will - but right after you answer the two earlier questions.

I'm not budging IvanZana, discuss, explain and evidence how you rejected those two pieces of evidence above, then we'll do the next to questions, then we'll show you how to write a proper question, then we'll correct your made up stuff about what I've stated.

Okay


reply posted on 11-12-2008 @ 01:49 PM by IvanZana
Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to
post by IvanZana



Sorry Ivan you haven't been paying attention, most of the ideas you said are mine aren't. You appear to be making stuff up and attributing it to me.



I can go back a couple of post and thread an pull out the exact quotes. My point list is simplified for most of your quotes could put some to sleep or have them go elsewhere but I do not want to WASTE anymore of my time or other peoples time.

Get your stuff together. It's ok to be proven wrong HANSLUNE time and time again.

I always wondered how the Flat earthers reacted when their silly logic was thrown to the dogs?

But i am sure your just going to reply with "answer my pointless questions and if you dont that means the egyptians built the pyramids with ropes and slaves, accidently aligning it to the stars, and earth for a king that was not dead yet. Sigh



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reply posted on 11-12-2008 @ 02:03 PM by Hanslune
reply to post by IvanZana



Try answering the two questions IvanZana

Misquoting out of context like a true fringer LOL

Added later

Oh my IvanZana you've gone back and deleted your post, what a moral and intellectual coward you are - yeah right 'dbl' post, one big LOL on that

I just have to laugh at you, I guess in the future we'll have to quote everything you say or you'll cheat again.



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reply posted on 11-12-2008 @ 02:39 PM by Hanslune
Okay great IvanZana

We'll let you drag your whipped ass out of the fire. Those two questions and the others with it will remain with me. I'll ask you about them in the future.

From now on IvanZana your immature harangue attacks will be met with the same response as here, a demand to answer questions with reason, evidence and logic.

Here's some more data we'll save and throw back at you, read and heed, try and actually understand my positions before you make comments on them - or just ask a question.

- Great earth floods never happened.

Hans: Sure they did, all the time, regional ones, the biblical flood didn’t happen

- God is not real

Hans: I don’t believe in god but I cannot prove he doesn’t exist

- Pyramids were built by egyptians using rope and slave for a tomb

Hans: Got that one slightly off, Yep built by the people who we have actual evidence of being there, with craftsmen and free labourers, yep for a tomb, which fits into their religious beliefs

- Mexican pyramid builders were savages that piled rocks in triangualr piles with no astronomical alignment.

Hans: horribly wrong IvanZana, I started out as a Mayanist, they were quite civilized-in some areas, yep that how they built their pyramids, with limestone blocks piled up – rather neatly arranged wouldn’t you think? Most do have astronomical alignments

- The astrological alignments of the ancient building were for growing crops or by accident.

Hans: In some case yes, farming was the basis of all ancient empires and was a matter of life and death, they paid attention to the seasons

- The bible is bs.

Hans: The bible is a book of wisdom written by a different people, it shouldn’t be taken for scientific truth.

- Plato talking about the opposite continent is just some greek island in the med.

Hans: If you mean Atlantis I think he was talking about Minoan – plus a few more myths thrown in

- Columbus was the first to sail the atlantic in 6000+ years recorded history.

Hans: Nope we know the Norse made it well before that and the Polynesian may have done so too

- The knowledge of how to build the pyramids were killed with the builders.
Hans: The knowledge was lost but we don’t know how, yes it is possible they were killed – but that is speculation

Some added stuff you put into what you think my position are.

- You know the Pyramid lies in the center of gravity of the continents.

Hans: No it doesn’t – take a look at a map

- It also lies in the exact center of all the land area of the world, dividing the earth's land mass into approximately equal quarters but you scream it was by purely by accident.

Hans: No need to scream as that isn’t the case

Ya see IvanZana, see how easy it is to answer stuff.




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