Originally posted by Byrd


I don't think many scientists would be surprised to find other bottlenecks, particularly in regional groups of humans.

Me neither. Now if humans were 'almost' extinct it cant help me not wonder how many other types of human races did perish.

ANother question that begs to be answered is, Will this happen again anytime soon to us?

Mabey the pyramids and other ancient structures were built to sustain total destruction incase of another cataclysm that the ancients knew or thought would come again.


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Me neither. Now if humans were 'almost' extinct it cant help me not wonder how many other types of human races did perish.

Hans: Its possible, lots of Homo lines died out but we don't know exactly when or how

ANother question that begs to be answered is, Will this happen again anytime soon to us?

Hans: Overpopulation is driving a number of possible scenarios for disaster, however all of these if they would occur would not erase the record of man on this planet.

Mabey the pyramids and other ancient structures were built to sustain total destruction incase of another cataclysm that the ancients knew or thought would come again.

The ancient people had a far fainter grip on how nature worked than we do. Their pyramids were used for tombs and temples. Most used stone and mudbrick in areas where these were the most useful and cheapest building material. There surivival is more a matter of chance than willful planning.

sometimes i wonder if there were people thinking the same thing before their time was up. how many civilization there could have been that we dont know about? we just know a slice. think of all their discoveries. dont under estimate the power of ONE human mind.

Originally posted by Another 1evel
sometimes i wonder if there were people thinking the same thing before their time was up. how many civilization there could have been that we dont know about? we just know a slice. think of all their discoveries. dont under estimate the power of ONE human mind.

Absolutely, one great man or women could (as demonstrated in modern times) drive an entire revolution. Many of the gods in various places could be mythic memories of these founding movers and shakers.

Pottery, fire (carbon) and stone tools, virtually indestructible and excellent markers, a civilization could arise without pottery (a few have) but none could have done it without stone tools and fire - and they are very easy to detect-well until you go way, way back.

Gobeki tepe may be an example of this



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Pyramids are not tombs and they are not temples.
What they are, nobody knows. How they were built, I believe, nobody knows either. And when I'm told they were built in 20 years, I turn around and run away from those...

I was talking about Egyptian Great Pyramids.
I believe that even today it would be much easier to carve mega cities inside Rocky Mountains than build a Cheops pyramid.
I don't know how Aztec and Mayan pyramids compare to this one. They are not made of stone blocks like Egyptian great pyramids. There are much less stones there. The biggest pyramid is made of earth, it was only recently discovered. There is a number of ancient pyramids in China, and probably elsewhere, and they have not been explored yet. It seems totally mad to me that generations of people would be building those: to what purpose? And how?

Parthenon temple, was build by Athenian citizens during many years, in place of Pelastion, which was destroyed by Greeks when they conquered the place. It took many years to build it and it is nothing compared to Cheops pyramid. Even though reason rushes to simple explanations, they are by no means rational. Cheops pyramid was not built in 20 years with human technology that thing is for sure. How it was built and even who built it, we don't know.

Howdy Danger

Well, this subject has been done to death on this forum and I don't want to divert this thread from its intended purpose.

If you'd like to discuss the Cheops pyramid look thru and find one of the earlier threads.

Be glad to go thru it again for ya.

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where are the signs of a highly developed human race that supposedly lived way back?

Well that is the key question. The reasons for not finding these signs are:

1. We've just been unlucky and have just missed the signs
2. Their civilization and technology used radically different technologies which we cannot see
3. They were deliberately trying to avoid being seen by future generations
4. There is lots of evidence but evil [insert most hated organization] people are hiding it from us
5. There are no signs, there were no such civilizations
6. They lived so far back that we aren't looking in the right place - another version of #1
7. They were wiped out by some great castatrophe, natural, alien or man made - and we cannot detect that either
8. Our world is a computer simulation and they have just deleted all or most references to the previous beta versions

I tend to go with #1 and #5

Originally posted by IvanZana
Me neither. Now if humans were 'almost' extinct it cant help me not wonder how many other types of human races did perish.

Race is really something that isn't measurable. However there are a number of human species (Neanderthal, Heidelberg Man, etc) who looked almost exactly like modern man and who died out. The number may expand as we are better able to find fossils.

ANother question that begs to be answered is, Will this happen again anytime soon to us?

It's less likely. They had no technology to survive if the skies darkened for a year or more with volcanic ash and the prey they hunted started dying and the plants they ate didn't grow. We'd just break out the grow lights for plants and move the cattle and food animals into environmentally controlled barns and go right on living.

Mabey the pyramids and other ancient structures were built to sustain total destruction in case of another cataclysm that the ancients knew or thought would come again.

Uhmm... the King's Chamber space inside the Great Pyramid is about the size of my master bedroom. Unlike my master bedroom, there's no heating and no ac and no source of other air.

It might make a good survival space for a lot of cockroaches, but anything much larger is going to have a very hard time of it.

In fact, all the stone pyramids are generally solid (or with one main chamber... again, not much larger than a large bedroom or a small living room.) The big pyramid hotel in Las Vegas is an exception to that. But the ancients' building skills weren't good enough that they could build large, hollow pyramids.

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by IvanZana
Mabey the pyramids and other ancient structures were built to sustain total destruction in case of another cataclysm that the ancients knew or thought would come again.

Uhmm... the King's Chamber space inside the Great Pyramid is about the size of my master bedroom. Unlike my master bedroom, there's no heating and no ac and no source of other air.

It might make a good survival space for a lot of cockroaches, but anything much larger is going to have a very hard time of it.

Who said anything about the pyramids were built to house people?tho possible I would lean towards more along the lines as a monument to man incase man would almost be destroyed again. Survivors can locate the pyramids because of it ability to withstand thousands of years and of course its immensity. Upon finding they can relearn the origins and math, science and astrology.