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SQ1. What do you do, to avoid the unhealthy things like antibiotics, hormones etc., which are fed to farm-factory animals?
SQ2:What can people with very small income do, to avoid this in their diet?
SQ3: Do you agree, that most people eat meat just because of the taste of it?
– who’s creator? Yours Heike, or whom do you mean by “our”, or is it a generalization to make it easier for the readers and judges to identify with your position?
STANDARD AMERICAN DIET (SAD)
If you were to list the factors that increase the risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, intestinal disorders – just about any illness – the standard American diet has them all:
• High in animal fats
• High in unhealthy fats: saturated, hydrogenated
• Low in fiber
• High in processed foods
• Low in complex carbohydrates
• Low in plant-based foods
In short, if your ancestors hadn’t eaten meat, you wouldn’t be smart enough to sit there and argue the point.
The simple truth is, being a vegetarian takes effort, and work, and planning, and paying careful attention to what one eats. The average modern day person is not concerned enough to put that much time and effort into watching what they eat,
Vitamin B12 is needed for cell division and blood formation. Neither plants nor animals make vitamin B12. Bacteria are responsible for producing vitamin B12. Animals get their vitamin B12 from eating foods contaminated with vitamin B12 and then the animal becomes a source of vitamin B12. Plant foods do not contain vitamin B12 except when they are contaminated by microorganisms or have vitamin B12 added to them. 
Socratic Questions for my opponent:
1. If the vegetarian diet is so healthy, why does it require taking artificial dietary supplements?
2. How do you, as a vegetarian, avoid Vitamin D, zinc, iron, and calcium deficiencies?
who’s creator? Why didn’t Heike mention other religious faiths in this context.
If a human being eats meat, this meat takes a long time to goes through the body. It has plenty of time to rot.
How long does it take to digest red meat?
Less than 4-6 hours. Meat is made up of protein and some fats which are easily digested and will generally leave the stomach within 2-3 hours. Meat is fully digested within 4-6 hours compared to the dietary fibre found in fruits, vegetables and whole grains which take more than 2 days. The human digestive system is well designed to digest a variety of foods including red meat, which contains a wide range of essential nutrients, including iron, zinc, vitamin B12 and long chain omega-3s.
But I can’t find any proof in Heike’s opening why exactly animal protein has such a better quality than plant protein.
Partially complete proteins do not contain all 9 of the essential amino acids but a limited amount of one or more of them. Partially complete amino acids provide normal maintenance but will not support growth.
Some plant foods contain protein, but do not have all the essential amino acids the human body needs. They are called incomplete proteins.
They (vegetarians) also need to take special care to ensure adequate consumption of certain vitamins and minerals that are not supplied by a diet rich in plant sources. These nutrients include: zinc, calcium, iron, Vitamin D, and Vitamin B12.
HEME iron is found only in meat, fish and poultry and is absorbed much more easily than NON-HEME iron, which is found primarily in fruits, vegetables, dried beans, nuts and grain products.
Excluding both the opening and closing statements, only two images and no more than 5 references can be included for each post.
Meat & Livestock Australia provides R&D and marketing services to the red meat industry.
Meat & Livestock Australia (MLA) is a producer-owned company, working in partnership with industry and government to achieve a profitable and sustainable red meat and livestock industry.
by combining plant proteins from a variety of cereals and grains
For example: peanut butter lacks 3 amino acids. By spreading it on buttered whole wheat (not white) bread and serving it with a glass of milk or some yogurt it becomes a complete protein.
Your body can not absorb and utilize the iron from an iron cooking pot! Furthermore, not all dietary sources of iron are equal:
The following factors will increase the iron absorption from non-heme foods:
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A NON-HEME food cooked in an iron pot, such as a cast iron skillet
In June 2005, a study by the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition suggested that diets high in red and processed meat, as well as those low in fiber, are associated with an increased risk of colorectal cancer.
Even Wal-mart is carrying hormone-free meats
a person who does not eat or does not believe in eating meat, fish, fowl, or, in some cases, any food derived from animals, as eggs or cheese, but subsists on vegetables, fruits, nuts, grain, etc.
Heike tries to confuse the readers and the judges by figuring out that the subject is only about vegetarian diet versus meat.
who believe the myth, that you need meat to grow up strong
SQ1: Do you know how long it takes for a human being to digest raw meat
The link Heike uses to prove her idea leads us to a website of MLA: ... a producer-owned company, working .. to achieve a profitable and sustainable red meat and livestock industry. Do you really believe they are telling you the truth?
We just have to follow the link, Heike provides us, to learn that it is not difficult to get complete protein out of plant food .. by combining plant proteins from a variety of cereals and grains
These should be avoided:
Meat of all kinds -- red and white, fish and fowl (if we can't give up meat, we should at least eat as little as possible) 2
Undeniable Evidence That Meat-centered Diets Are Wrong:
Nearly Everyone Who Eats That Way Is Sick
Affluent people can afford to eat a diet with a central focus of beef, pork and/or chicken, and almost all do.
Barnard adds that Americans suffer from having too much to eat, not too little. The typical American eats too much fat, cholesterol and animal protein, which contributes to high rates of obesity, heart disease, cancer, osteoporosis and kidney disease.
"Vegetarians have a 40% less risk of cancer and much less risk of heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, kidney disease and other problems that are common among meat eaters," Barnard says. "Vegetarians also live several years longer and enjoy better health."
Fruits and vegetables may not contain hormones or antibiotics, but they do contain pesticide and chemical fertilizers, and residual levels of any pollutants which were in the soil and ground water where they were grown. And who knows if any of them - especially those imported from foreign countries - are “GMO” (genetically altered), and what the long term effects of eating those are.
It was a totally new world. When being on a diet I always got the feeling that somebody is depriving me of food: no chocolate, no cake, no pasta, no potatoes, no no no … I guess most of you know this struggling. But vegetarianism was different.
Just figure it out: the cow eats grass, which got a little pesticide on it.
sexual maturation starts earlier as we are used to it .. even 3 year old girls start to develop breasts ... a reason might be the growth hormones fed to cattles.
"Vegetarians also live several years longer and enjoy better health."
The life span of Eskimos is much shorter than of a person of western culture.
therefore cellulose is called FIBER for humans.
I suppose to splitt proteins.
I don’t even know that guy. When I googled the name, I found an author who wrote a novel called “The Jungle”.
couldn't maintain his work levels on a vegan diet.
Writing sadly that he hated to give up veganism, Sinclair did so nonetheless because he found his brain just wouldn't function at an optimal level on fruits, vegetables, juice, nuts, and seeds. He turned to Salisbury steak as his answer.
Although Upton Sinclair was nearly crucified by his vegan friends for changing his diet and writing about the positive results from the change, he maintained that he went where the truth led him.
1. What do you think about cloned meat?
2. Would you eat cloned meat, even if they claim and prove it is safe?
3. Are you scared by vegetarianism?
a little boy who was probably 4 but looked younger.
Some studies suggest that the growth of vegetarian children is more gradual than that of non-vegetarians—in other words, vegetarian children grow a bit more slowly at first, but they catch up later on. Final heights and weights for vegetarian children are comparable to those of meat-eating children. /1/
No, actually soy products are responsible for these problems, not meat. Soy products such as lecithin are hidden in many commercial foods.
On the other hand, diets rich in animal protein, found in meat, eggs, and dairy products, appear to reduce the age of puberty, as shown in a 2000 study from the Harvard School of Public Health, which found that girls who consumed higher levels of animal protein compared to vegetable protein between 3 and 8 years of age went through menarche earlier. /1/
No, it isn’t. Vegetarian websites contain impressive and lengthy lists of things you shouldn’t eat because they may contain hidden animal products, …
Will you now claim that vegetables don’t spoil or rot?
The body also requires vitamin D, which children and parents are happy to know can be obtained by simply playing outdoors in the sun. Fifteen to twenty minutes of daily sunlight on the hands and face is enough sun exposure for the body’s skin cells to produce the necessary vitamin D./1/
Large studies in England and Germany have shown that vegetarians are about 40 percent less likely to develop cancer compared to meat-eaters. /2/
Interestingly, Japanese women who follow Western-style, meat-based diets are eight times more likely to develop breast cancer than women who follow a more traditional plant-based diet. /2/
Non-insulin-dependent (adult-onset) diabetes can be better controlled and sometimes even eliminated through a low-fat, vegetarian diet along with regular exercise. /2/
The American Academy of Family Physicians notes that high animal protein intake is largely responsible for the high prevalence of kidney stones in the United States and other developed countries and recommends protein restriction for the prevention of recurrent kidney stones. /3/
In nations with mainly vegetable diets (and without dairy product consumption), osteoporosis is less common than in the U.S.,even when calcium intake is also less than in the U.S. /3/
"The diet-heart hypothesis has been repeatedly shown to be wrong, and yet, for complicated reasons of pride, profit and prejudice, the hypothesis continues to be exploited by scientists, fund-raising enterprises, food companies and even governmental agencies. The public is being deceived by the greatest health scam of the century. "
replacing saturated fat with carbohydrates lowers HDLs and raises levels of triglycerides. Low HDL and high triglycerides are both risk factors for heart disease.
Vitamin A is included in carrots and other yellow or orange vegetables
Studies show that Seven Day Adventists, who strictly follow a vegetarian diet, get about 4.42–7.78 years older than the average citizien.
The average lifespan of Intuits in Canada is 10 years shorter than that of the average Canadian. And Massais usually don’t reach their 50s birthday.
The “facts” Heike provides are found by Weston A. Price, D.D.S., a dentist, who lived from 1870 to 1948.
This was an excellent debate, both participants certainly deserve applause for their efforts, and for me it was difficult to decide who won off hand.
In my opinion though, orange-light came out the winner, the use of reference along with the answers to the Socratic questions posed by Heike pushed orange-light over the top.
Heike's performance during this debate was excellent in my opinion and it made it even more difficult to judge this debate.
Having said all of this however, while orange-light did win it's not going to stop me from hitting the local White Castle before heading into work.
I´ve experienced a slight change in my eating habits just from reading this. For that I would like to thank both debaters who have both succeeded in showing whats wrong with our foods today.
Orange-Light did a better job in citing valid sources and describing their implications in her own words. She has obvioulsy argued for vegetarianism many times before. She also wins the S.A.D. and Proteins debate.
Heike scores in a few excellent rebuttals and exposing some of orange-lights invalid comparisons and flaky evidence. Heike scores on the lipid-hypothesis and has convinced me that I can continue eating meat but should be more careful what meat I eat.
Taken as a whole, orange-light wins by a narrow-margin for presentation-style: She simply posted more benefits of a vegetarian lifestyle than Heike posted benefits of a meat-eating lifestyle. While rebuttals are important, Heike might have fleshed-out her case a tiny bit more than looking into orange-lights case.