orange_light vs Heike:
Veggies Are Not Necessarily What They Eat
It is an honor for me to debate this topic with Heike. I am going to dedicate this debate to LucidLunacy, who first agreed to debate the vegetarian
issue with Heike. Unfortunately Lucid couldn't make it, so Lucid, this debate is for you!
A great thank you to MemoryShock, who set up this debate. I also would like to admit how much I appreciate the work of the judges. Thank you for
helping us to share our knowledge, wisdom and the fun we have in debating.
Vegetarians Are Physically Healthier Than Those Who Eat Meat.
Food is essential for humans. We all need food to survive, for gain energy, and to operate successfully.
Most people know about healthy food and about the components their food needs to suit them properly. We know that we need carbs, protein, fat, fibers,
vitamins and minerals to stay healthy.
Nourishment is not only about to eat properly; it has also to feed our souls. Therefore it is very difficult for most people to give up the diet they
have learned in their youth. This diet is very similar in most western countries. In our case I will call it the Standard American Diet – SAD
. This diet is a meat based diet.
Is meat really necessary to keep the body healthy and strong?
Or is it just a learned habit, a tradition, which is based on times in history where it was not possible to live on plant-based food?
Animals naturally never eat against their nature, if they live in freedom. Most people try to feed their pets according to their nature. Usually they
feed their carnivore animals, like cats, with meat and their herbivore pets, like horses, with plants.
Humans are capable to make choices, even if these choices won’t suit them very much. Is the human body really designed to eat all kinds of food? Is
the human body capable to digest meat the same way a carnivore can digest meat? And can he get the same benefit out of meat consumption? Or is it much
easier for humans to digest plant-based food and take the best benefit out of this nourishment?
In this debate I will take a very close look to the digestive system of the human body. I will compare it to digestive systems of carnivores and to
digestive system of herbivores. I will also examine the set-of-teeth of humans compared to carnivores and herbivores and other body features.
I will prove that humans can only survive on plant-based food. A plant-based diet keeps a human body much healthier than a diet, which includes meat,
especially the amount of meat the Standard American Diet contains.
I will also take a very close look on the so-called disease of civilization. What are these diseases? Where do they come from and how can people avoid
I am not going to tell you, that if you live a vegetarian life you will never get e.g. cancer. That is not possible and would be absolutely unethical.
Most diseases have many factors, which promote them. Some people even have a special disposition to develop a certain disease. There are smokers, who
will never get lung cancer, and non-smokers, who suffer of lung cancer.
You can’t protect yourself from getting ill, but you can do your best to minimize the risk.
We will learn about the different types of vegetarianism and we will see, that our closest relatives in the animal kingdom are vegetarians too.
I won't tell you that humans are not able to eat meat, this is possible; but not everything that is possible to eat is always the most healthy
Humans are able to smoke cigarettes, which we know is a very unhealthy habit. Humans eat meat, which is also just a habit, something humans have
learned during the centuries.
I also know that some defenders of the meat-based diet, or omnivore diet try to admit that it is the best to eat organic or free ranged meat. It is
always the best to eat organic, no matter what you eat. But sadly most people don’t eat organic and most people can’t afford to eat organic.
Just think for a moment how your grandparents or their grandparents lived.
One hundred years ago in Germany most people had a little stable at their house where they fed some chickens, or some raised a pig. A a certain time
a year they slaughtered this pig and lived on its meat a whole year until the next pig was big enough to meet the fate of its predecessor.
One pig had to still the desire for meet of a whole family for one year – a family, who usually consists of grandparents, parents, six to twelve
children. Meat was more a treat than the basic of the meal. Usually the family lived on things like porridge, kale soup, bread – which are plant
based. It was highly possible for them to survive, even doing the hard work they had to do to make a living, on vegetables and grains. This is the
natural way of eating of humans as we will see later on in this debate.
They didn’t eat meat two- or three-times a day, they didn’t even eat it every day, mostly just once a week.
We are not talking about the rich people or the nobility, just ordinary people, who could only afford a simple living.
Just like the ordinary people of 2009, who only can afford the groceries of the supermarket next door, who believe that only meat can build strong and
healthy bodies and who don’t understand that 1 kg meat which costs between € 6 / $ 8 and € 15 / $ 19 can’t be healthy. These prices are only
achievable when the meat is raised industrially in meat factories, where cows, pigs or chicken will live a poor life, crowded in narrow boxes, fed
non- species-appropriate food, treated with antibiotics to prevent them from getting sick, living in a high-stress environment because of their
All experience those animals had, all things they are going to eat and drink, will be found in the meat you eat in your daily diet.
We will deal with this subject not on the base of animal rights, which is also worthwhile to debate, but on the base of our own personal benefits and
Types of vegetarians.
First of all we should answer the question what is a vegetarian?
In general a vegetarian is somebody, who doesn’t eat meat or animals.
Some people call themselves vegetarian, but still include poultry or fish in their diet. These people are no real vegetarians. A vegetarian really
doesn’t eat any meat.
Some people also claim that they just occasionally eat some meat, and therefore they call themselves vegetarians. But they are also no true
From the health point of view the above-described varieties might be a better option than eating meat as people do who follow SAD, but it is not at
all a vegetarian lifestyle.
We can distinguish Vegetarians by the amount of animal products, which are excluded from their diet
This is the most common type of vegetarian.
An ovo-lacto vegetarian doesn’t eat any meat: no beef, no pork, no poultry, no fish or other animal’s flesh. But they consume more or less often
eggs and dairy products like milk, cheese, and yoghurt.
This type of vegetarian doesn’t consume any meat and also avoids eggs, but eats dairy.
Doesn’t eat meat and dairy, but enjoys eggs.
Pure or strict vegetarians
These people don’t consume anything form an animal, no meat, no eggs, no dairy.
Some even avoid honey, some might consume honey.
Compared to vegans the pure vegetarian has different reasons for his/her lifestyle. Mostly they will tell you about health issues, some have spiritual
or ethical reasons.
A vegan is also a very strict vegetarian, whose point of view is focused on the animals. He does everything because of the animals. So a vegan
doesn’t eat meat, nor does he eat dairy, eggs, honey or anything else that comes form an animal. A vegan doesn’t wear anything, which comes from
an animal, no leather shoes, no woolen sweater, and no animal by-products in anything in his house. A true vegan is absolutely involved in animal
But a true vegan is also aware that he can’t be 100% vegan since animal by-products are found in nearly everything on earth, but he tries to avoid
as much as possible,
Than there are two more strict groups.
They follow a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle, which excludes cooked foods or at least food, which isn’t heated over 115 F / 46° C.
A variety of a raw food vegetarian, who only eats fruits, greens, nuts, and seeds.
source for all types of vegetarians
In this debate we will focus on the more common types of vegetarians:
Ovo-lacto, lacto, ovo and vegan to prove that a vegetarian diet is much more healthy than a diet which includes meat!
Socratic Questions to Heike
What do you do, to avoid the unhealthy things like antibiotics, hormones etc., which are fed to farm-factory animals?
What can people with very small income do, to avoid this in their diet?
Do you agree, that most people eat meat just because of the taste of it?
Heike, the field is yours!