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The Greatest Warrior in the past 1,000 years

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posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 04:41 PM
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Who is it?

I've been thinking about this and I've come to two warriors. I can't choose which one was better from among the two because they were both GREAT.

#1.. Saladin (Salahu d-Din Yussuf)


He was the MAN... for all you high school dropouts I'm going to give you a brief history on him. Saladin managed to revitalize the economy of Egypt, he reorganized the military forces and with the advice of his father, he stayed away from any conflicts with Nureddin, his formal lord, after he had become the real ruler over Egypt. Instead he waited until Nureddin's death, before he started serious military actions first against smaller Muslim states, before directing it against the Crusaders.
Saladin is one of very few personages of the time of the Crusades that has managed to be positively described in both Western and Eastern sources. With his high position among his Western opponents, he has become a figure that have fascinated Western writers.

He conquered Egypt, Damascus, the important north-Syrian city of Aleppo, Mosul in northern Iraq, and of course he conquers Jerusalem in a matter of months.

He loses control of Jerusalem to the crusaders but then regains control of it... he signs a treaty with Richard I of England which brought an end to the third crusade.. he brought peace in Jerusalem for half a century and he allowed Christians to own claim lands off the coast of the mediterrean while Jerusalem was under Muslim control and of course, he safely allowed Christians rights to pilgrammages to Jerusalem.. he was the man.

#2. Geronimo



How can we not forget Geronimo? he was fighting the most evil group of people of the entire earth, the white americans, and sometimes by himself. After they killed his wife and his child, he vowed to kill as much as he possibly could.. He raided as much towns as he could, murdering and slaughtering the villages... he surrendered then escaped.. he had the entire west in fear .. he was the man... and on his final stand... him and 19 of his warriors defeated 5,000 USA TROOPS... awesome..




posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 04:54 PM
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oh...
joan des arc...
died a virgin...
fought off 3 who tried to rape her !
defiant and strong
while being burned at the stake
the world was/is not ready for such ladys...
spacie.



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 05:20 PM
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Joan of Arc.. she was good.. she had more balls than all the french back then

which brings me to another honorable mention

Sir William Wallace of Scotland.




posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 05:30 PM
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ATTILA



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 06:15 PM
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Yes indeed... William Wallace.

My ancient kin was Aide de Camp for Robert the Bruce (our family history has our kin helping William escape at Falkirk, despite the movie's version). Later, after Inverurie, our kin was granted Lordship and land.

Of all the possible choices, William is high on the list as he fought a relentless battle, against impossible odds, and united several feuding clans in the process.

Two votes for William.




posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 06:32 PM
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I was thinking more along the lines of Sun Tzu. his book The Art of War, revolutionized the way wars were fought. whether he won alot of battles i'm not sure but he deffinately left his mark on all warriors after him.



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 07:05 PM
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Gen. Patton must certainly rank in the top 50, as well as Gen Robert E. Lee. If not warriors, then top 50 leaders category.
As an historian said, Lee was the worst thing to happen to the conderate force. Had he not been such a great leader, far less people would have died.



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 07:43 PM
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Sun Tzu was a great warrior also but he lived 2,000 years ago not 1,000.



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 07:52 PM
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my bad.



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 08:16 PM
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There's too many I'm not going to end it with Geronimo, Saladin, and William Wallace

Another honorable mention:

Genghis Khan; "military and politcal genius"
This man had the largest empire and he was undefeated in war!

In the late 1100s and early 1200s a Mongol military leader named Tem¸jin was creating a confederation of tribes, Mongol and non-Mongol but which would be called Mongol. He was a good manager, collecting under him people of talent. And, when necessary, he warred. In 1202 his forces fought and defeated the Tatars to his immediate east. He had no hope of them, so he put the surviving men to the sword and distributed the women and children among other tribes.
With Tem¸jin's defeat of the Tatars, the aging Mongol khan, Ong, declared Tem¸jin as his adoptive son and heir. Ong's natural son, Sengg¸m, had been expecting to succeed his father, and he organized an assassination of Tem¸jin. Someone leaked the plans to Tem¸jin, whose forces defeated forces loyal to Sengg¸m, and Tem¸jin became ruler over of the Mongols. In 1206, at the age of 42, Tem¸jin took the title Universal Ruler, which translates to Genghis Khan, and he addressed his joyous supporters thanking them for their help and their loyalty.
Like others, Genghis Khan's subjects saw themselves at the center of the universe and the greatest of people -- favored, of course, by the gods. And they justified Genghis Khan's conquests in previous years by claiming that he was the rightful master not only over the "peoples of the felt tent" but the entire world.
Genghis Khan continued organizing. He improved his military organization, which was also to serve as a mobile political bureaucracy, and he broke up what was left of old enemy tribes, leaving as ethnically homogeneous only those tribes that had demonstrated loyalty to him. He introduced record keeping, taking advantage of his move years before to have his native language put into writing. He created official seals. He created a supreme officer of the law, who was to collect and preserve all judicial decisions, to oversee the trials of all those charged with wrongdoing and to have the power to issue death sentences.
Genghis Khan's first military action was to secure his northern, Siberian, border. He subjugated reluctant tribes there, and he then felt ready to deal with powers to his south -- to act on his mandate as the rightful ruler of the entire world. In 1209 he led a large army against the Tangut (who occupied what had been northwestern China). And in 1210 the Tangut kingdom recognized Genghis Khan as its overlord. The Tangut monarch pledged to supply future Mongol military operations with troops, and he presented Genghis Khan with a princess as a new wife.
In 1211, Genghis Khan and his army pushed against the Ruzhen (who ruled in northeastern China). The Ruzhen had a large and effective army but they were hard pressed by both the Mongols and a border war with the Tangut. The Ruzhen (Jin) were also attacked by southern China, the Song dynasty emperor wishing to take advantage of the Ruzhen's fight against the Mongols and to liberate northern China. But the Ruzhen drove the southern Chinese armies into retreat.
Genghis Khan and his army overran Beijing and pushed into the heartland of northern China. They ravaged the countryside, gathering information and booty, and then they pulled back from most of Ruzhen territory, staying put at key northern frontier passes. The Ruzhen emperor negotiated with the Mongols and agreed to pay them tribute in exchange for an end to hostilities.
Genghis Khan had not yet committed himself to the conquest of the whole of China, and in 1217 he returned to Mongolia, leaving one of his best generals in charge of Mongol positions in the Far East. Genghis Khan was concerned about a hostile power beyond his realm to the west -- a recently formed Islamic empire, Khwarazm, which extended from Persia to Transoxiana. Genghis Khan wanted trade with the lands to his west. He wanted goods for the Mongol nation, including weapons. That trade ended when subjects of the Khwarazm shah seized a Mongol caravan of several hundred merchants. Khwarazm claimed that spies had been in the caravan. Genghis Khan sent envoys to the shah. The shah saw his rule as superior to that of the Mongol's and he had the chief of Genghis Khan's envoys killed and the beards burned off the others and these others sent back to Genghis Khan.
Genghis Khan launched a war against Khwarazm, the Mongols believing that their gods were superior to Allah. In 1219, Genghis Khan and his Mongol army drove through Transoxiana, engaging in difficult assaults against prosperous cities such as Bukhara (now Uzbekistan) and Samarkand. In reprisal for resistance to Mongol advances, and reprisal for uprisings against Mongol occupation, the Mongols laid waste to various cities, including Samarkand, and put the people of those cities to the sword. According to a Muslim writer, Genghis Khan drew from some old fashioned religion and told the Muslims, "I am the punishment of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent punishment like me upon you."
The Mongols pushed into Persia. While Genghis Khan was consolidating his conquests there, a force of 40,000 Mongol horsemen pushed through Azerbaijan and Armenia. They crushed Georgian crusaders, captured a Genoese trading fortress in Crimea and spent the winter along the coast of the Black Sea. Then, as they were headed back home they met 80,000 warriors led by Prince Mstitslav of Kiev. The battle of Kalka River (1223) commenced, and the Mongols routed the prince's army.
In 1225, Genghis Khan returned to Mongolia. He now ruled everything between the Caspian Sea and Korea. He looked forward to the Mongols continuing their ways while benefiting from caravan trade and drawing tribute from agricultural peoples in the west and east. Genghis Khan created an efficient pony express system. He declared freedom of religion for the areas he had conquered. And wishing for order and tax producing prosperity he forbade troops and local officials to abuse people.
Soon again Genghis Khan was at war. He believed that the Tangut (in northeastern China) were not living up to their obligations to his empire, and he was unwilling to expand in China until the Tangut were thoroughly subdued. In 1227, around the age of sixty-five, while leading the fighting against the Tangut, Genghis Khan, it is said, fell off his horse and died.
In terms of square miles conquered, Genghis Khan had been the greatest conqueror of all time -- greater than Alexander the Great. The Mongol nation believed that he had been the greatest man of all time and a man sent from heaven. Among the Mongols he was known as the Holy Warrior, and not unlike the Jews who continued to see hope in a conquering king (messiah) like David, Mongols were to continue to believe that one day Genghis Khan would rise again and lead his people to new victories.


his empire:




[Edited on 1-21-2003 by Illmatic67]



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 08:39 PM
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Top Warrior? Well, he was more of a leader, but General Grant. HUG, USG, what ever the initials, General Grant.(Hyram((sp?)) Ulysees((sp?)) Grant, which was HUG, so he changed it to Ulysees((sp?)) Simpson Grant)



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 08:45 PM
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GHANDI.

He did what none of the others could do: ENDED wars without using an army.



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 09:07 PM
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Gotta be Alexander the Great, conquer of the entire known world at the time.... by the age of 36

Leaves Bill Gates for dead...




Alexander's Death

Marble statue from Gabii
Louvre, Paris, France


Alexander the Great (356-323 BC), the king of Macedonia that conquered the Persian empire and annexed it to Macedonia, is considered one of the greatest military geniuses of all times. He is the first king to be called "the Great."




faq.macedonia.org...

[Edited on 21-1-2003 by Netchicken]



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 09:16 PM
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Um, Ghangis Khan known for most land in an empire. No one as topped him, yet. British got close, USSR did to, but no one has topped Khan, he got 3/4 of old world.(Asia, Europe, Africa)



posted on Jan, 20 2003 @ 09:33 PM
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The best warrior in history, is a man no one has heard of, whom died descretely on some distant battle field in a time unknown. All of the people everyone here has listed have been more of "leaders" than warriors.

Any number of Vikings could independantly kick the crap out of anyone on this list, who knows how many gladiators could, how many soldiers of any nation.

For greatest military commander (which is what others have all listed anyways) it is, not might be this or that...but is Rommel. Every engagement he ever fought, he was on the losing side, and still managed to win...never did he have more men than the enemy, except maybe early in the Afrika Corps. and such. His best battle was against russians I think in WW1 where he lead some 30 men, maybe it was 15 or 50 can't remember. Captured a Russian camp and 3,000 soldiers.

He was always humane, even when Nazism was not, and treated his prisoners well, very well, especially compared to the rest of Nazi camps.

He truly was the best, and was bested by patton, whom would have to be #2, for while he bested the best, he did so from a vantage, that Rommel never had, he had more resources, guns, and men. And a whitty dare, that sank many of Rommels tanks in the sand...that was a good one


As for warrior, it's going to be some viking or German or Celt somewhere, some dude who could kill anyone in one on one combat, and wouldn't be cruel nor ignorant...warriors are not robots, contrary to how soldiers are supposed to be now-a-days


Sincerely,
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posted on Jan, 21 2003 @ 07:17 AM
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Alexander was pre-everything dude... i said 1,000 years.

but i dont think alexander was great... all he did was destroy all the knowledge in Egypt and that's why we as humans are dumb and ignorant.

we would never again live up to the ancient egyptians, the smartest people EVER.



posted on Jan, 21 2003 @ 07:36 AM
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Napoleon must definately rank up there



posted on Jan, 21 2003 @ 07:47 AM
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(While not in your past 1000 years time frame, I felt I had to point out some misconstrued info).

He did not destroy the knowledge of Egypt... In fact, he was a learned man amongst such figures as Plato and Socrates. When he conquered a people, he didn't ram his culture down their throats, but instead integrated his culture with theirs, creating harmonious cultures throughout his empire. Because of this, he remains as the most successful conqueror in history...

For the past 1000 years, my vote goes to Wallace...



posted on Jan, 21 2003 @ 08:12 AM
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First of all, there's no such thing as Greek philosophy because Greek Philosophy is stolen Egyptian Philosophy.. it took the Egyptians thousands of years to think of their philosophy and it took only the Greeks matter of years.

"Know thyself" is a doctrine given to Socrates, but in reality.. that same scribe was written all over egyptian temples 500 years before his birth.

alexander came and conquered the egyptian library, and he allowed his "teacher" aristotle access to it and all of a sudden, aristotle wrote 25,000 books in 20 years... rrriiiiiggghhhtttttt.

[Edited on 1-21-2003 by Illmatic67]



posted on Jan, 21 2003 @ 08:45 AM
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that must be bruce lee!



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