Barack Obama Is Qualified To Be President... Isn't He? (by Jim Marrs)

this has been going on way too long. second to seeing "the real" birth certificate all i wana know is why would anyone defend the leader to be when he refuses to defend himself?

a champion that does not defend the title does not deserve it

If this was a suspected illegal Mexican who had possibly forged a BC or their were doubts to the BC he presented, but yet got elected with half of Americans voting for him, would you defend him the same way you do Obama?

Just curious.

reply to post by danx


No, I don't really mean you are lazy. Just trying to prove a point...

In fact, I'm sure any intelligent person on this board, like the one that apologized a couple of post up, know that you are top notch in your legal research.

I am just hoping that, the side of you that IS "scared", then prepare at least a little bit.

There is no point in proving you are right (or wrong, maybe in this case) by not preparing a little bit. That would just be stubborn...

We should ALL prepare a little bit for social unrest in CASE this happens. Because ultimately when that happens, we will all forget about this issue, and start a new thread from our bunkers on how to get the WORLD back!!!!

Originally posted by Rizen
We are concerned with the consequences of his/her actions regardless of who the president elect is.
You are concerned with OBAMA being the president.

Please don’t assume what I think or what my position is. I never assumed yours and it makes you look arrogant.

Please don't say you are not

So you already decided on what my position is huh?

because if somehow this happened and Bush was the president, you would be alongside with US, on THIS side, fighting yourself I guess.

I have ‘fought’ Bush whenever I believed he or his Administration had done something illegal, and I will continue to do so with whoever is President.

This is not a matter of personal preferences, it’s a matter of evidence. I believe many things about President Bush and his actions, and for most of them I don’t have any evidence that would hold up in a Court of law.

This obviously doesn’t prevent (or even demotivate) me from talking and debating about them, but it certainly doesn’t entitle me to think and act as if the Courts should hear my case because I demand them to.

My thoughts are these. If Obama is what he says he is, then why put the American public through all this? Why put his own supporters through this when many of them are also asking him to produce the birth certificate? Why spend so much money to keep THOSE WHO HIRED HIM from seeing the proof? He acts like he is the one in charge; not us! That's what we've had for the past 8 years! There are many in this country who don't get it! He works for us! All of us! It doesn't matter if you voted for McCain or Obama or timbuktoo! He works for all Americans! And if Americans are demanding to see the proof, he should do it! I hope the Supreme Court takes up at least one of these cases or it will NEVER die! I hope the electoral college has the courage to do the right thing which is what our founders intended for them to do. They are the last gate before a tidalwave can be let in. Sadly after everything I saw during this whole election, I fear they will not stand up for us. You know how you can watch a really really good thriller movie knowing there's going to be a moment of courage when everything works out in the end. I feel like this is a really exciting movie but will never end right; in fact the shame I feel at a country that has turned into what it has saddens me to no end. I didn't even celebrate July 4 this year because there really was no reason to. I'm beginning to feel as if everyone who died for this country died in vain.

reply to post by marcsnothere


Appreciate the response and I see where you are coming from. I have no beef with Obama. I just want clarity to ensure that our constitution is upheld period. And from what I have notice, Obama doesn't seem too concern. Therefore, if people feel like they have proof, then let them have their day in court to prove it. If the court says he is legit then we move on. If they say he isn't, then we will probably have a few bumps in the road but we will survive and overcome. Ultimately, we have to start demanding that all 3 branches adhere to the Constitution. If they feel changes need to be made then they should do it by passing and ratifying amendments, not by ignoring our Constitution.

How the hell does a President-Elect get into the position with the question of his eligibility based on a birth certificate still at large? This is precisely what makes America a laughing stock. We should just laugh at ourselves because we've become the dumbest nation on the planet and this just confirms how stupid we've become. I wonder what people from other countries think when they read this stuff. "Typical Americans, dumb as they are. They voted for someone who might not even be eligible to be the President." And this is only a mere highlight of our stupidity. First we had a stupid president. Now we're going to have an ineligible one, along with a broken economy, limited resources, and the dissolution of our government. After 232 years, look at all we've accomplished. A whole big stank of nothing! Congratulations America.

reply to post by danx


agreed, some poeple don't get it tho.... obama is not dead, he doesn't need a hero.

lol, but i'm sure if he could stand up for himself he would

Thank you Mr. Marrs.

...'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,'

Jimmy Carter's most famous quote comes to mind...

Jimmy Carter, "Trust me, trust me!"

reply to post by Mr Knowledge

How the hell does a President-Elect get into the position with the question of his eligibility based on a birth certificate still at large?

Can you name me one organization or agency that verifies birth certificates besides the states vital divisions?

If I was an employer in Texas and requested BC as part of the process, I wouldn't know what to look for if I got a BC from another state. I would just assume it was legit and move on.

reply to post by AboveTopSecret.com


it almost doesn't matter anymore, since McCain is not a natural born citizen either.. check out 7 fam 1100 of state department regulations for more info the whole election was a sham........we need a complete do over with qualified candidates, which of course we'll never get

Originally posted by DarrylGalasso
I would even accept that; however, nothing is being shown or stated by the SCOTUS,

The Supreme Court only states something when it hears and decides on a case. Since no case has been accepted by the Supreme Court, it hasn’t ruled on this matter. They are not an investigation agency.

I am not trying to fight with you or anyone else in fact I agreed with you in my last post on credible citations; however, surely you must have some questions yourself. If you blindly believe what ANY agent of government says, why are you on ATS to begin with?

Of course I don’t blindly believe in every agency, just as much as I don’t blindly believe in everything that’s posted on the web.

What I do believe in though, is the law, and is exactly because of that that this should be done right.

You are assuming the Supreme Court (and other Courts) rejected the lawsuits because they are covering something up. What I’m saying is: look at the lawsuits, their legal arguments. I have, and frankly I found Mr. Berg’s lawsuit to be a joke for example.

I did however, found Mr. Donofrio’s case to have merit, and I’ve said numerous time before that I wanted the Supreme Court to hear it, so it could be settled once and for all.

But they didn’t. Since we don’t know why they didn’t hear it, I would firstly like to believe that it was because the case lacked some merit, or for some other legal technicality. I have no reason to believe a cover up. At least for now.

And I’m pretty confident that someone will file a serious well argued legal case which the Supreme Court will have no other way but to accept it and finally decide on something this important.

I just can’t expect the Courts to accept every case because I have some curiosity or doubt regarding Obama.

reply to post by danx


Danx, got a question for ya.

Is no merit the same as having no standing?

BTW, you hold your own pretty well. A lot to be admired.

reply to post by Frankidealist35


HE has produced nothing. A scanned document, that has been called into question by a qualified authority, has been posted on a couple of partisan web sites.

He would not take unlimited funds: lie.
He would end the tax cuts: lie.
He would enact a windfall profit tax on oil: lie
He would promptly end the Iraq war: lie.
He denies talking to Blogejovich, his campaign chief, Axlerod, says he did: lie.

This man has lied throughout his campaign and even after his election. Looks like plenty of reasons to question the validity of the COLB scanned by dailykos.

[edit on 9-12-2008 by jdub297]

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
How the hell does a President-Elect get into the position with the question of his eligibility based on a birth certificate still at large? This is precisely what makes America a laughing stock. We should just laugh at ourselves because we've become the dumbest nation on the planet and this just confirms how stupid we've become.

When I first started looking into this matter I also had this doubt. How in the hell could we get to this stage and no one checked if the people on the ballots could even be eligible?! After all if they were on the ballots there was a possibility that they might actually win...

This really frustrated me and made no sense. Surely there were rules in place to check this, I thought. But as far as I’ve been able to tell, it’s even more frustrating (and infuriating): there is no federal nation-wide law that demands this to be checked.

Yes this makes no sense, but apparently, a non-“natural born” citizen can run for Office, he just can’t be President (because of the Constitutional clause).

An example of this is Róger Calero, the candidate of the Socialist Workers Party. Calero was born in Nicaragua. He is a naturalized US citizen, just like Arnold Schwarzenegger is, and yet he was on the ballot in 5 states.

What I’m guessing is that some States, through perhaps the State's Secretary, do check or did check because in Calero’s case it was pretty obvious that he didn’t qualify.

But the fact that he was on the ballots in 5 states goes to show that there is no nation-wide law requiring them to check.

edit: spelling

[edit on 9-12-2008 by danx]

You are assuming the Supreme Court (and other Courts) rejected the lawsuits because they are covering something up. What I’m saying is: look at the lawsuits, their legal arguments. I have, and frankly I found Mr. Berg’s lawsuit to be a joke for example.

Not so long ago you asked another member:

Please don’t assume what I think or what my position is. I never assumed yours and it makes you look arrogant.

I am now asking you for that same courtesy.



[edit on 12/9/2008 by DarrylGalasso]