Originally posted by Muundoggie
That's why he sealed his records. If one has NOTHING to HIDE then why seal your history?

No person “seals his records”, the State does. Every State has people’s records sealed and isn’t allowed to publish them.

What Obama published on the web was a Certificate of Live Birth, which is a short form of the original birth record that the State holds, certificated by the State that it represents the information they have in the original records.

Mr. Marrs, much respect.

While the essential laws and regulations have been circumvented by the well placed operatives, what is essential I think, is an understanding of what, from a certain perspective, could be the very image of the 'hand' guiding this talented young man into our great American enterprise's CEO position.

Mr. Obama has been touted by many of good things, and also many bad one's. But the complicity required in the purposeful breach of the social contract between citizen and state is well within the margin to be reasonably questioned; "Why?"

I hesitate to consider the possibilities implied by the notion that Mr. Obama could be a man of this character.

But of course, one doesn't rise to the Presidency of the United States alone. It is sort of frightening, the possibility of exactly 'who' is the instrumental operative source of the 'opportunities' which have led him here. What elemental aspect of control is being exposed, theoretically speaking, of course.

Or is it possible that such conspiratorial fugues are mere flights of fancy. Could Mr. Obama be haplessly following a path set for him?

I must say, the case is one of the power of 'belief' vs. the power of guilt. In theory, he has been 'elected', but can't serve.

This "Constitutional" crises scenario could be construed as a planned assault. So many must have known, should have known, should have responded 'proactively', should have reacted publicly. Yet none did. What is that saying about our political 'Parties", and the body politic? Has the corruption reached the point of no return? The Constitution demands otherwise. Yet the rhythm of the drum tells everyone to keep moving forward, eyes front, step in line. For the good of the herd.

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Maxmars]

You guys are so naive.

Partisanship is the front.

Some of these guys are friends behind the doors.

This is planned in one way or another, by one "group" or another.

And, you bet your butt that there will be civil unrest when this pans out. Why do you thin Bush got ALLLLLL those Patriot Act-esque law in before he leaves office?

To prepare for what's coming. And Obama will be the commander in chief, and he will use the "laws" that was prepared for him by BUSH.

It's not so hard to get right? You just need to wake up and smell the sxxt.

It's easy to live with eyes closed.

Originally posted by danx

Originally posted by Muundoggie
That's why he sealed his records. If one has NOTHING to HIDE then why seal your history?

No person “seals his records”, the State does. Every State has people’s records sealed and isn’t allowed to publish them.

That's ridiculous. Every state has "public records." That means the "public" can have access to them. Births, deaths, marriages, crimes, etc... are all available to the public.

The State "seals records" on the persons request. I did this years ago regarding my juvenile record.

WAKE UP!

Jim Geraghty, one of the first bloggers to raise the question of a possible Obama birth in Kenya, also raised a further question. "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen ... because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16," wrote Geraghty, adding, that Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16."

This is being interpreted incorrectly. US citizens were allowed to "visit" other countries back then and it didn't constitute as a reset on their citizenships. "Reside" means lived in another country as in the form of a legal residence.

And I think Warren Buffett puts it best when he said something like this, about investing...

"You will know who is swimming naked when the tide goes out". (or something similar, sue me).

So, the "Obama's my momma" crowd will be swimming naked when the shxt hits the fan.

I recommend ALL Obama backers to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, in preparing for what is coming.

Then us "Conspiracy Theorists" can point our fingers and laugh at the naked Obama-nation supporters!

Originally posted by Rizen
I recommend ALL Obama backers to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, in preparing for what is coming.
Then us "Conspiracy Theorists" can point our fingers and laugh at the naked Obama-nation supporters!

So if you’re proven wrong you will obviously publicly say so here on ATS, right?

Originally posted by Rizen
Yea, that fake one.
Stop using factcheck.org and the fake BC please.

So factcheck.org is not a credible source, but WorldNetDaily and a guy that appears on a Youtube video with his face pixelated is?

Originally posted by Rollinster
That's ridiculous. Every state has "public records." That means the "public" can have access to them. Births, deaths, marriages, crimes, etc... are all available to the public.

The State "seals records" on the persons request. I did this years ago regarding my juvenile record.

WAKE UP!

Originally posted by AboveTopSecret.com
Despite Polarik's compelling work showing Obama's Hawaiian Live Birth Certificate a fake, Hawaiian Department of Health Director Chiyome Fukino on Oct. 31 released a public statement that "The Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." Hawaii's registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, also vouched for the existence of a complete birth certificate for Obama. Some days later, according to World Net Daily Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle placed the Obama birth certificate under seal and instructed the Department of Health "to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances."

Originally posted by danx

Originally posted by Rizen
Yea, that fake one.
Stop using factcheck.org and the fake BC please.

So factcheck.org is not a credible source, but WorldNetDaily and a guy that appears on a Youtube video with his face pixelated is?

Although I am completely on the opposite side of the fence to you on this issue, actually, I think both candidates are boneheads, I do completely agree with you in this post. I have seen so many post here use ridiculous citations. Everything you read on the internet is not true. I would suggest to anyone that before the cite anything that they cross check it with at LEAST 2 other sources.

[edit on 12/9/2008 by DarrylGalasso]

Originally posted by xpert11

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
If Obama isn’t a citizen then he isn’t qualified to be President, period.

Well that statement is flat out wrong .

Qualified means that a candidate has had experience in areas that will help him/her with what ever job they are applying for . Eligibility is a set criteria that someone has to meet regardless of there qualifications . For example candidate has to be over the age of 35 regardless of there qualifications such as executive experience they have .

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
Most people would assume that when you are born on a US Military Base that would equate to US Soil. I fully understand this has been debated before.

Umm no I think that you would find that US embassies not US military bases are American soil .

But the US Senate still voted on, and approved a resolution declaring him to be a Natural Born citizen making him eligible for POTUS.

Now why in the world would have given Congress that kind of power that contradicts the eligibility criteria they set out ?
This is getting more ludicrous as we go along .

No such 'Official' action has been taken regarding Obama, even after the SCOTUS conferenced on this issue on OUR dime.

Any judge who understands the US constitution on what is presumable a school boy level would have thrown out McCain eligibility in about five minutes . Instead the courts time has been wasted by a bunch of crack pots .

Look I'm not what you would call call a natural born NZ citizen . I gained my NZ citizenship from one of my parents . Since I was born in Perth I was not born on NZ soil . McCain almost certainly gained his US citizenship from one of his parents otherwise he would be a permanent resident .

Americans tend have a deserved reputation for insular but I never took some of them as being this dumb .

[edit on 9-12-2008 by xpert11]

I never said that US Bases abroad were US Soil. I said most people would ASSUME they were. Understand the difference? Believe it or not, the majority of Americans are not constitutional scholars, like so many here at ATS.

Older Americans consider him a war hero and MOST people wouldn't have questioned his eligibility. But instead of posting something to the internet, the Senate passed a resolution declaring their opinion that he is a natural born citizen. Binding or not.

The real disservice to the American people is that 'Natural Born' has never been clearly defined in the context of our Constitution. That's why the debate rages on.

I didn't vote for either Obama or McCain, but as a narrow minded American I have the right to question an elected officials eligibility and it appears I'm not alone!