reply to post by bmxkeeler
Coming from Jim Marrs I'm surprised I read it. Didn't anyone see the copy of his birth certificate he had posted on his site?
It’s really too much of a reach to argue whether Obama was or was not born in Hawaii. His BC has been on the website for more than one year. He has
the abbreviated BC commonly used today to deny anyone (too nosy) the particulars about the parents that are unnecessary to establish the birth of the
subject of the certificate.
The only genuine issue in the recent presidential campaign was whether John McCain was constitutionally eligible to the office of president. His BC
has also been posted on the internet. With it or without it we have always known John McCain was born in Panama. But there remains ONE issue. Was he
“natural born” as required by the US Con? Or just an American citizen. See Note 1.
This fine distinction is frequently avoided by asserting HE is a citizen of the US without actually using the key words “natural born” as if there
was NO distinction between the TWO categories. But there is a real difference. In the original document the terms - citizen and natural born citizen -
are both used.
Article 1 is the legislative branch article. In section 2, and clause 2, members of the House must be age 25 and have been a citizen of the US for 7
years. This means any immigrant who obtains his citizenship can be a representative after 7 years.
In section 3, clause 2, members of the Senate must be age 30 and have been a citizen of the US for 9 years. Again, this means any immigrant to the US
can be a senator if he obtains his citizenship and waits 9 years.
Now we come to the crux of this over-long story. Who can be the president
of the US?
Article 2 is the executive branch article. This one is different from the first two. Let’s look at the part which is different. In section 1, clause
4, it opens with the plain words saying “NO person except a natural born citizen shall be eligible to the office of president.” further in the
clause it also specifies age of 35 and 14 years a resident within the US. This means NO immigrant regardless of his obtaining citizenship can be
Did the framers of the Constitution mean to make the office of president special? Yes, no doubt about that. They wanted a guy who was BORN in the
United States and no one else. This is the only office under the US Con that requires birth in the US.
And one more proof the writes knew the difference in 1787 and that nearly 80 yeas later nothing had changed. Look at the 14th Amendment. Section 1.
All persons born OR NATURALIZED in the United States . . are citizens . . . “ Again, I left out the excess for this argument.
In John McCain’s case
, the question is this: Is Panama the United States?
And even a 5th grader knows the answer is NO!
Article 1. Section 2, Clause 2.
No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United
, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen.
Article 1. Section 3, Clause 2
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States
shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen.
Article 2. Section 1, Clause 4
No person except a natural born citizen
, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible
to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been
fourteen Years a resident within the United States
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States
, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
and of the state wherein they reside.
The Congress has full power to make rules for citizenship as found in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4. “To establish a uniform rule of
naturalization . .
Congress has rightly so, enacted laws making any person who is born of American citizens OUTSIDE the United States while they are serving the United
States a citizen of the United States from the date of his or her birth.
Congress can make you a citizen, but only GOD can make you “natural born.”
[edit on 12/9/2008 by donwhite]