Well we will see what kind of web was weaved after the new year.

I just have to say that if things do not pan out like most were expecting after all those wonderful speeches and waves behind the podium, well remember what the rest was trying to say..."YOU WERE WARNED!"


Cheers!!!!

We can put an end to this right now.
Mr. Obama, you are NOT my president until you show some proof.
Just tell us who the doctor was or even an attending physician or nurse.
Isn't there SOMEONE on this earth that can come forward and say, "I was there"?
I will not abide by any laws this charlatan might pass until he has proven his eligibility.
AND ...it has nothing to do with race.
It's like getting stopped by some guy impersonating a cop.
I certainly don't have to abide by any of his demands cause he's not qualified.
If he was REALLY concerned about the will of the people, he would show this document and put it all to rest.

Maybe I'm out on a limb here but has anybody thought that they don't want to put this issue to rest? Do you really think he can't come up with a birth certificate????????
The President Elect of the United States of America?
They could prove to you that he was born in Iceland if they decided to do it. They WANT this country divided over this issue.
That's what they do.

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This controversy will never die, even though Obama has all the power to end all the rumors and conspiracies with just one phone call, or rather a text message.

BUILD A WALL AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE!

That old saying, where there is smoke there is fire!

Could this also be a manipulative tool to upset the Republican party? If any of the conspiracies are accurate and there is a great agenda going on behind the scenes, then this would add to it and cause great conflict - regardless.

Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
I didn't actually read any of that, maybe when I get back from my run, but I just wanted to say....how hard could it be to be president?
I could do it.
In fact I'd do it for free.
You have writes and advisors and assistants.
I'm certain its the easiest job in the world, and anyone who can't do it, is a complete failure.

Gimme 24 hours in office...utopian society....DONE.

are you kidding me? Not only is the presidency probably the hardest job on the planet it is also one of the most stressful by far.... Countless times we've seen presidents elected looking great healthy dark headed. Then 4-8 years later they look haggered beat down grayed over. You have advisors and such but the choice and its repercussions are layed directly at your feet. Correct me if im wrong but making a decision on wether or not to launch an attack that will claim many lives is not easy. Nor is it easy to face down all the crap thrown at a president by the worlds population. No matter what Americans do or the president decides he will take a large hit from some sector of the international community.

As for the issue of obama being a natural citizen, i am glad that people havent dropped this issue. The left wing guard dogs have already created the phenominon of Mr. Obama, it must not go unnoticed or unreported that he may not be eligible to be president. I havent got much feeling on wether or not he will be a good president, but i do believe that the American people deserve to know who this guy realy is and have the right to know before we put the keys to the country in his hands.

The only people who want him to produce his birth certificate are racist loonies or sympathizers.

Sorry for the one liner.

Are you freaking serious..... Im a rascist because i believe in the constitution and the American peoples right to know who this man realy is? Im sorry my friend but it is you who are looney. You are willing to turn our country over to anyone with a pretty smile and charismatic tone.... It's this type of moronic finger pointing that really makes me . you would probably vote for liquidsmoke to wouldnt you.

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the state of hawaii says he's a citizen, and the state department gave him a passport, which i know personally you have to have a BC

show proof that he isn't

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JIM MARRS - you always put together great info and you always tickle my brain. I'm so very very glad that you are on top of this subject.

On the fake COLB - Obama's father has his race listed as African.
That would be like my BC having my race listed as North American.

Lies, half-truths, opinion, and speculation. This is fodder for a "conspiracy"? What an enormous waste of time. Try spending your energies on something constructive. In case you haven't noticed, our economy is in a tailspin. What are you doing to help?

Originally posted by jimmyx
the state of hawaii says he's a citizen, and the state department gave him a passport, which i know personally you have to have a BC

show proof that he isn't, or get some mental health help

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a citizen AND the state department gave him a passport, that doesn't give him the right to be President. Same goes for Madeline Albright.

What I can't understand is after 8 years of Bush, why people are so quick to dismiss questions regarding the eligibility & fitness of a man who most people never heard of before the Presidential campaigns.

Originally posted by jimmyx
the state of hawaii says he's a citizen, and the state department gave him a passport, which i know personally you have to have a BC

show proof that he isn't

admin edit: removed immature snipe...

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Did you not read the article ? all the proof is being stifled and held by foriegn governments. People want to show proof but moronic sheeple like yourself allow things like this to happen. Quit being an Obama lap dog and start demanding the truth, Even sheeple like yourself deserve to know the truth wether you want to hear it or not is a different question.

Originally posted by scottsquared
Lies, half-truths, opinion, and speculation. This is fodder for a "conspiracy"? What an enormous waste of time. Try spending your energies on something constructive. In case you haven't noticed, our economy is in a tailspin. What are you doing to help?

What are you doing to help? Why dont you spend your time seeking the truth instead of spreading the ignorance. We shall all see in due time what you leftwing idealogs have gotten us into and if you reap what you sow then we are all in for a big fat serving of STFU and a side order of ignorance topped with a nice fresh drizzle of socialism.

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In light of all this, is it too much for President-elect Obama to simply authorize the release of his birth documents and settle the matter once and for all before any further harm comes to our Constitution.

Mr Marrs, “in light of all this”? What is this exactly? There are only speculations, hearsay and blog posts putting forward these theories.

Barack Obama, or anyone else for that matter, isn’t under any legal obligation to release his birth certificate, at least until a Court requests him to. And even when that happens I doubt his birth certificate would be released to the public, as it would probably be for review of the Court and Judges only.

From Obama’s (and his campaign) point-of-view, these theories are all bunk, then why should he give in to these people’s demands when he doesn’t have to?

Or, perhaps George W. Bush was right when, according to several credible accounts, he described the Constitution of the United States as "just a goddamned piece of paper."

Obama hasn’t broken any law or violated the Constitution.

Even in the case of Obama not being eligible to be President, he isn’t President yet, and the Constitution already contemplates the possibility of President elects not qualifying for the Office.

Originally posted by interestedalways
Great thread.

I appreciate the fullness and balanced information all in one place.

Of course I wouldn't have expected any less from Jim Marrs!

I also wish this would just be straightened out with the proper documents, I don't understand why someone in such a position would even want the debate if it could be resolved by the long version of the birth certificate Just Show Us!!!

I do have one question about the law concerning the mother having to be a resident for five years after 16 years of age. It would seem that if she was an American citizen her entire life her child wouldn't be withheld citizenship just because she was not yet 21.

His mother was already an American citizen from birth, wasn't she?

The way I read Marrs' article, the law does not automatically give citizenship to the child if the father is not an American citizen and the mother is. But instead of denying citizenship in this case, it looks to the mother and says "Okay, if the mother is a citizen and has lived in the U.S. for 10 years, 5 of which must be after the age of 16, then citizenship can be passed on", and at the time of his birth she didn't meet that requirement to pass on U.S. citizenship.

What does it matter?

He was selected for the presidential race.
Everyone who voted for him was happy to vote for him.
He won the election.

Even if he wasn't born on American soil I'm sure he can't be any worse than some of the other previous presidents.

If he considers himself an American citizen and performs to the best of his ability.

So why does is matter where he born?

Originally posted by danx
why should he give in to these people’s demands when he doesn’t have to?

For the same reason that President George Bush (43) released his medical records (or was it dental records?) from when he was in the National Guard. People said he was AWOL. So he dug up his medical records showing he was actually on base at the time they said he was AWOL.

He didn't 'have to'. But being POTUS common sense said it was necessary.

Obama hasn’t broken any law or violated the Constitution.

If he's POTUS and he isn't eligible then he definately has.

Considering how corrupt that Chicago political machine is, and how cagey Obama is being, it's not a surprise that many people are wondering about him.


All he has to do is release one single little piece of paper and everyone can get on with their lives. This is ALL on HIM.

For those of you who want to know WHY this is such an issue, it is because he will be Commander in Chief of the armed forces, and if he is not legally entitled to be POTUS, then presumably any order he issues to the armed forces would not have to be followed. I agree the NWO may be just delighted to let this stew for now and ultimately provoke riots if Barry is shown to be illegal. What fun to crack down on the sheeple.

Originally posted by lightchild
If he considers himself an American citizen and performs to the best of his ability. So why does is matter where he born?

Because of our CONSTITUTION. Because if he's POTUS and he isn't eligible, then he's just another stink'n liar of a politician. It definately matters.