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Originally posted by NGC2736
But when any issue grows to the level this one has, then for the good of our nation, it needs to be addressed in depth, by the President Elect. Such an act, while not likely to quell the howling of everyone, would go far in preserving a sense of right for our elected leadership.
Originally posted by happinness
Please define 'Natural born'? My defination meant he was born on US soil as oppossed to Kenyan, hence 'natural born'. His first breath being American air?
Originally posted by NGC2736
BH, I think I am being reasonable here. I have supported, and voted for, Mr. Obama.
But when any issue grows to the level this one has, then for the good of our nation, it needs to be addressed in depth, by the President Elect.
Originally posted by NGC2736
But it is the rational majority which will need to be assured that there is no moral barrier to an Obama presidency that matters.
Any examination of history will show that there is nothing more likely to tear apart a nation than the claim, rightly or wrongly, that someone is a "Pretender to the Crown".
As Commander-In-Chief he has no moral right to ask any soldier to lay down his life, on his authority, when he refuses to settle in the minds of the people, perhaps even that very soldier, his complete and utter right to make such a request.
Originally posted by maybereal11
What on earth has become of ATS?? When Factcheck.org is derided as a “Pro-Obama research site” ...
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Now, what rights of the American people am I ignoring again?
[edit on 10-12-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I'll try one more time.
Why don't you believe the proof he has ALREADY put forth?
Why don't you believe the proof he has ALREADY put forth?
Originally posted by NGC2736
BH, I think I am being reasonable here. I have supported, and voted for, Mr. Obama. (And the poster who called anyone who has questions reverting to McCarthyism, all I can say is that you are wrong.)
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Closed door acceptance of his eligibility by some distant committee is no longer acceptable. The trust in our government is at such a low that there is no recourse. It is needed for the good of the nation as a whole.
Originally posted by kozmo
Anyone, born anywhere, can receive a COLB in the state of Hawaii and many other states.
Originally posted by kozmo
A COLB, in and of itself, proves nothing with respect to the "Natural Born" requirement put forth in Article II, Section2 of the US Constitution. .
The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the President of the Senate;—The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;—The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. [Title 3, United States Code, Section 15 (emphasis added)]
Originally posted by NGC2736
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I apologize for missing your direct question.
Why don't you believe the proof he has ALREADY put forth?
The answer is not so much that I personally have a problem with the evidence so far provided. It is that a growing number of Americans from all walks of life have a problem with it. Basically, most feel his addressing of this issue was too skimpy. And therein lies the fault.
When any issue reaches the level of this one, then it is the moral duty of a leader to do more to alleviate the fears of country in something other than an offhand and arrogant manner. The idea of answering the people questioning his qualifications for the office with a terse, "here's the short form, and I'll spend a lot of time and effort to never answer further." does a disservice to the Presidency and any moral authority of the Government.
If I am asked by the government for proof of something, and they are not satisfied with what I first offer, they may ask for further proof. It needs work both ways.
In short, I think this is a copy of his birth record. But because it appears to a great many reasonable people that this abbreviated information is tainted, then for the well being of our form of government, and for the confidence of the people, then he needs to take this "proof" to the next level.
Anything less smacks of dishonesty and possibly the unlawful abrogation of his responsibility when seeking and attaining the highest office in our nation.