Illinois Govenor Who Suspends State Business With B of A Taken Into Federal Custody , page 9
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reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 01:32 PM by Ryanp5555
Originally posted by mybigunit
reply to post by Ryanp5555


The DOJ has dirt on ALL of the politicians in some form or another. Now in cases like this where people stray from the flock so to speak this guy has serious enough offenses to go ahead and take the guys power away like they did to Elliot Spitzer. For people they dont have good dirt on they go ahead and suicide them or straight up murder them. Most of the politicians out there are just as corrupt the only difference is you get to see one in the main stream. You have to ask yourself why do these other corrupt politicians not get arrested?



Your missing a fundamental point. Not all politicians get court ordered wire taps on their phones and in their offices. Peter Fitzgerald was brought in to Illinois to help clean up the corruption in this state, and he has arrested 2 governors, back-to-back governors, since he has been here. Reality points one way, yet you choose the other path.


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 01:39 PM by Ryanp5555
Originally posted by Helmkat
Originally posted by mybigunit
reply to post by Ryanp5555


They investigated the guy for not months but years. They had plenty of time to nail this guy instead of letting him continue to plunder like he has been doing. They choose after he says F U to the big banks to go ahead and arrest him. Please dont say they did this so he couldnt pick the Obama seat either because he still gets to pick the seat. They had plenty of time to get this guy period. If the timing is not suspicious then I dont know what else to say.


I honestly can understand where you are coming from, I really do. From the outside this looks like "WOW, that timing is more then a little suspicious" but you say "plenty of time" like those in charge of the investigation woke up each morning and said

"Should we arrest Blago today? Nah lets let him plunder some more."

and then when he made the announcement about BOA said

"OMG Blago is speaking out about a Bank! how come our wires and informants never told us about this! Darn if we had only arrested him yesterday we could of avoided all this mess. Now we will have to get all our Illinois spies on ATS to try an debunk this. Heads will roll!!!"

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Helmkat]


I do believe they could have arrested him earlier. But as another poster quite clearly pointed out, it wasn't until recently that it was discovered that he was auctioning off of a Senate Seat and at that point their hands were forced to arrest him at that point. If they didn't arrest him it is likely that Fitzgerald would have lost his job once they eventually did make that arrest and it was clear that the feds knew about the election to a senate seat through money. Imagine the uproar in this country, and how bad the FBI would have looked. They would have looked as bad as hte CIA when they declared that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. That is because it looks like they did not do a good, or any part of their, job. And that is the real point. It had to be made now, and the reason it wasn't earlier is because in law you want to build the strongest case possible. You want the most you can get before making an arrest. You want to be able to bend the other side over because they dont' have any feet to stand on. Thus, they were collecting evidence. I don't think there is one person here from Illinois that didn't know that Blag. would eventually be arrested by Fitz. I'm pretty sure even Blag. knew that(lol). But, blag. forced Fitz. hand becuase his job would have been on the line, as well as many other people's and their reputations. Thus, the arrest was made today.


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 01:52 PM by Helmkat
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I agree with you 100%, funny how everyone in Illinois who has had this clown in the news almost everyday for a very very long time are on one page and many of those outside Illinois are reading from a different book. Blago was pulling stunts all the time, if he didn't have a sound bite everyday about how he was helping the people of Illinois you knew something was up. So if it wasn't BOA it would of been some other speech that people could say "Oh see he stood up to Daly" or "Oh see Obama didn't want him to be Senator" or something else like that.

Basically he was taken down before he could sell a Senate seat and that would be the icing for Fitz.


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 02:00 PM by poet1b
reply to post by Ryanp5555


And what goods does the fed have on Patrick? Why did this guy roll, because he is such an outstanding citizen, not at all the typical political underling?

What is wrong with a gov standing up for the working class, isn't that what most people want? Could there be some political bias cheering this on?



reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 02:11 PM by Ryanp5555
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Ryanp5555


And what goods does the fed have on Patrick? Why did this guy roll, because he is such an outstanding citizen, not at all the typical political underling?

What is wrong with a gov standing up for the working class, isn't that what most people want? Could there be some political bias cheering this on?



What does the fed have on Patrick? WHAT? HE IS THE FED! HE IS THE US ATTORNEY WHO IS PROSECUTING HIM!? Standing up for the working class? You know nothing about Blag other than that he told BoA off. That is clear by that statement. Extorting the working class for contracts, raising taxes so that you can place "Gov. Rod blag. presents I-Pass" at 15 k a pop for so many I cannot even tell you, is not benefiting the working class. Holding a seat for the highest bidder: the highest bidder being the one who benefits him personally by giving him another job so he can avoid impeachment, giving his wife a better job, and benefits monetarily are not any help to the working class. Bringing in a senator who would be willing to do those things does not help the working class in Illinois. Extorting Childrens memorial hospital does not help the working class. Telling the Chicago Tribune that if they wanna sell Wrigley field they have to fire their editors that criticize him does not help the working class. In fact, that destroys the Freedom of Speech for the working class. Listen, I deal with this everyday, I live in Illinois. I don't know if you live in the US, or in a separate country, but if you lived here, which it is clear you don't, or if you do you have been living under a rock, you would see that in no way does he help the working class. He robs the working class.


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 02:15 PM by Fiverz
I live in this state, have lived in it all my life. I've seen the corruption of Ryan and others before him. Blago is a crook, has always been one.

But come on ... there is definitely something fishy about the timing here. Three points:

1) cnn's original headline stated that he was arrested for corruption relating to obama's seat AND that he was under investigation for 3 years (without any other addendum) ... only hours later did they throw in the Tribune Co. thing ... the seat has been vacant for what 2 months? Why not talk about what else he's been investigated for? And why nothing was done last week? Last month? Last year?

2) Notice how the Republic factory occupation/BoA is suddenly out of the headlines? I only checked a couple mass media sites but if someone can point out that it hasn't totally dropped out of the national media, I'd appreciate it.

3) The only reason I can see for arresting him today would be if he was about to announce his pick today or tomorrow, and it was a corrupt pick. But think about it ... arresting him does nothing to his power to make a pick. He would have to resign or be impeached to lose the power to pick Obama's replacement. He can state his pick in jail if he'd like. If you really wanted to prevent him from doing wrong, wouldn't you just leak a story to the media about it and call for impeachment?

Now the more I think about it, I can see that the BoA link isn't the strongest. But just seeing how everything unfolded today SOMETHING shady is definitely going on, whether it is indeed the BoA thing, that TPTB didn't like his pick, or that he has some evidence of corruption with regards to Obama and they are shutting him up.

Let's face it Illinoisans, this guy should haven't even made it to a second term. But you really need to look not into WHY he was arrested, but why he was arrested AT THIS TIME. A simple "he was about to pick a corrupt replacement" isn't a 100% fit for me with all the other surrounding events. It's just my opinion, of course, but if we can't explore these avenues what is the point of even having a conspiracy board? Something smells fishy and it's not just Blago's dirty laundry ...

[edit on 12/9/2008 by Fiverz]


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 02:22 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by Fiverz


Wait wait wait a minute. This guy is in his SECOND TERM!!!! LOL!!! So all you people from Illinois complaining about this guy how many of you people voted this guy in for a second term knowing he was corrupt. Wow.


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 02:24 PM by Freenrgy2
reply to post by Fiverz


Nothing fishy. This pay-to-play scandal has been going on for a long time, even in Ryan's administration. Look, Obama was going to have asked for Fitz to resign and would have reassigned him. Why? Because he didn't want him on this case. Whoa, someone actually trying to do something about corruption in Illinois? Folks, Obama is a politician bred by the Chicago machine. This isn't to say that Obama is involved, but rather where Obama's loyalties lie.

Fitz has wanted to get Blago on something for a long time. Its a win0win for Fitz. He gets his man and he gets (more than likely) to keep his position. It would look very bad for Obama now to reassign him at this point.

Fitz is the man.

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Freenrgy2]


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 02:31 PM by Fiverz
Originally posted by Freenrgy2
reply to post by Fiverz


Nothing fishy. This pay-to-play scandal has been going on for a long time, even in Ryan's administration. Look, Obama was going to have asked for Fitz to resign and would have reassigned him. Why? Because he didn't want him on this case. Whoa, someone actually trying to do something about corruption in Illinois? Folks, Obama is a politician bred by the Chicago machine. This isn't to say that Obama is involved, but rather where Obama's loyalties lie.

Fitz has wanted to get Blago on something for a long time. Its a win0win for Fitz. He gets his man and he gets (more than likely) to keep his position. It would look very bad for Obama now to reassign him at this point.

Fitz is the man.

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Freenrgy2]


Like you said it's been going on for a long time. And I agree kudos to Fitz for taking Blago down, I don't know how he got voted back in.

But what ... they had nothing on him until this week? This is a big thing, will ruin his career ... but you're telling me they just let his 238472374 other crimes go and they waited to nail him on something that would bring national media attention?

That's all well and fine ... as long as I am allowed the same privilege of breaking numerous laws as long as I don't break a big one!

Something isn't right about the timing here, I admitted in my previous post it might not be the BoA thing, but why now? I'm just not content with accepting the timing as a "just because." Maybe this is a timed play against Obama. And I'm not saying there's something wrong with that, I just don't accept that it happened today because some damning new evidence came to light ... it was done with a purpose.

EDIT: maybe by dragging Tribune Co. into it, it might change the bankruptcy proceedings? or possibly the sale of the Cubs? Hrm ...

[edit on 12/9/2008 by Fiverz]



reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 02:32 PM by Helmkat
Originally posted by mybigunit
reply to post by Fiverz


Wait wait wait a minute. This guy is in his SECOND TERM!!!! LOL!!! So all you people from Illinois complaining about this guy how many of you people voted this guy in for a second term knowing he was corrupt. Wow.


Thats how sad we are here! Which Devil shall I vote for today? There are some good people involved in Goverment here but there is a streak of deeply entrenched corruption here as well and more then your typical hiding a mistress/gay lover stuff.


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 02:36 PM by Lokey13
reply to post by jsobecky


This is yet to be seen though because the governor in question could be stupid enough to drag many many people down with him. So this corruption they are trying to stop may lead to quite a few more arrests by the end of the week.


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 02:37 PM by marg6043
reply to post by mybigunit


Nice catch my friend, it seems that the so all merry people of Illinois had no problem getting their corrupted governor one more term.


reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 02:43 PM by Roufas
It is actually something pretty common , and happens all the time in politics.

Politician A , B and C do some dirty work. If one says something , all will fall , so they are kinda tied , of course they are not the only ones that know about their corruption , there is usually a lot more people in play , and as long as they are not stepping on these people toes and are paying their bribes the politicians should be fine.

As soon as there is some conflict of interest , someone opens their mouth and off the politicians go.


Those "investigations" are usually bull , the police can even be involved somehow ... they already "know" who is dirty or not , and will just claim they have "finally found enough evidence to arrest the person" , things they have had for years even...


This is something that happens with drug dealers that bribe the police too , suddenly , one day (when they stop receiving their bribes or anything else) , wow "we had been investigating these drug dealers for xxx time and finally got proof!"


And please do not take this as a generalization , I am sure there are honest people in all professions. I am also sure there are corrupt people in all of them unfortunately too , but if you are honest , this is not directed at you.



So yeah , TPTB could very well be aware of who is corrupt or not , or even lead some of these people covertly down that path , so that they have these people in their hands literally ... it doesn't make either less corrupt though.

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Roufas]
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