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Illinois Govenor Who Suspends State Business With B of A Taken Into Federal Custody


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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 03:30 PM by precociousmonkey


And you know, even though Obama has been fingered and linked to Blago they will find away to deny it and erase it and the media will forget just like all other Anti-american personal associations that were pinned to him during the election process.



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 03:31 PM by jsobecky


I'm waiting for Obama to issue his standard denial:

"Rod Blagojevich, uh, was never a part of my campaign, and uh, uh, is not advising me in any capacity".



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 03:34 PM by Stormdancer777


Originally posted by precociousmonkey
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by mybigunit




MYbig it is not the bank thing, Blago has been under investigation and connected to Rezko, Obama's pal.

I have been watching and following this for quite a while



And that s not all Michelle Obama has been fingered in this conspiracy as well.

www.noquarterusa.net...



Not a surprise ,I knew her connection months ago.

Why now?

Why after the election?



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 03:37 PM by greeneyedleo


Originally posted by jsobecky
I'm waiting for Obama to issue his standard denial:

"Rod Blagojevich, uh, was never a part of my campaign, and uh, uh, is not advising me in any capacity".


Or maybe God will strike him and he will say.......

*kicking the dirt with his shoe and hands in pocket* "Aww shucks maaa, I didn know. I done screwed up"

[edit on 12/10/2008 by greeneyedleo]



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 03:39 PM by carewemust


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Exactly! If you read the FBI transcript, The Governor says that if Obama
doesn't give him/his wife a plumb job, he will retaliate by naming
Jesse Jackson, Jr. to fill Obama's empty Senate seat. Jesse Jackson
senior was filmed on FOX news (during a break) stating in an animated
manner that he would like to cut off Obama's private parts. Naming
Jesse Jackson's son, Jesse junior, to fill the seat would be the ultimate
slap in the face to President Obama.

Listen to Chicago Talk Radio for an earful!
www.wlsam.com...

-cwm



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 03:49 PM by redhatty


WOW!!! ABC isn't buying Obama's version either

But there remain questions about how Blagojevich knew that Mr. Obama was not willing to give him anything in exchange for the Senate seat -- with whom was Blagojevich speaking? Did that person report the governor to the authorities?


Do follow the link and read the whole article - it's another bombshell of info



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 03:58 PM by BlackOps719


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The bad blood there has been obvious and has been documented.


Jessie is washed up, he is all but irrelavant now. What better way to get Jackson Sr. back than to politically destroy his son's hope of ever serving in any facet of government.

Politicians don't attack physically, they hit you below the belt and destroy your name forever.

Wasnt hard to put 2 and 2 together.



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 03:59 PM by regeya


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The tone of this post makes me give up. The slogan of ATS is "deny ignorance." The sig of the person who posted this is "Don't be a sheeple." And yet, even the poster commits a classic non sequitur.

If people are going to hold this jackass up as a folk hero because he took a stand the day before the hammer fell on him, I give up. Live in fear and ignorance, everyone. It's what "they" want. If this makes you fear B of A, you'll ignore that Blago was selling a Senatorial seat. Not just a senator taking money this time, but people like Jesse Jackson Jr. offering $500k-$1m USD for a public office.

I'll give some folks a little slack if they're not from Illinois, and haven't been following the ongoing Blago saga. But for you to make an argument based on that is another logical fallacy: argumentum ad ignorantiam, or argument from ignorance. It's of the same class as, but a little more complicated than, "I don't believe that evolution is real, therefore it's not real." More like: "I don't know anything about Blagojevich's past record, but I do know he was arrested a day after he said Illinois would never do business with Bank of America, therefore he was arrested for standing up to the Bank of America."

Argumentum ad ignorantiam is an argument based on IGNORANCE! DENY IGNORANCE!!! At the very least, look at his budget cuts; they're almost always in districts of representatives he doesn't like. Since I work in the newspaper business, it really burned my hash that he attempted to get the members of the Chicago Tribune staff who were openly critical of him fired.

Google is your friend. Even Illinois Democrats scratch their heads over his methods and motives.

I mean, the guy tried getting campaign funds in exchange for the state fulfilling its financial obligations. He tried to stiff a children's hospital that way. The TV show Prison Break was filmed in the Joliet prison, which was vacant because he attempted to balance the budget by shutting down state parks and shutting down prisons--including one which wasn't even constructed yet--but despite that, and despite a lack of funding to cover Medicaid expenses and even cover the State Police's gasoline vouchers(!) he was going to raise taxes for a universal healthcare plan. He can't pay his current state employees, is cutting employees left and right, but he's going to take a stand against B of A because they won't extend credit to some Chicago factory so they can make payroll?

Any Libertarians wish to comment on this? Here you have a State government official threaten to use the state's business ties to force a bank to lend more money to a debt-ridden company that will likely shut down next month. Where are the people righteously indignant against government introducing inefficiency through government intervention?

And is no one aware of the political tool known as an empty threat? He issues 'em all the time.

A folk hero he isn't. An asshole, maybe, but not a folk hero. He's damn lucky it was the Feds and not a lynch mob. His approval rating is about half that of Bush's.

Details from Rod Blagojevich's 74-page affadavit

Having said that, I've been waiting for the Blago/Rezko thing to blow up in Obama's face. I'm only surprised it didn't happen during the election.


[edit on 10-12-2008 by regeya]

[edit on 10-12-2008 by regeya]



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 04:01 PM by precociousmonkey


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It's amazing How quick the President elect can back peddle isnt it? How long do you think it took him to get to everybody and get their story straight before coming to the press and saying "I have no Idea what you are talking about, I havent spoken to that man for years"



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 04:03 PM by Stormdancer777


Originally posted by redhatty
WOW!!! ABC isn't buying Obama's version either

But there remain questions about how Blagojevich knew that Mr. Obama was not willing to give him anything in exchange for the Senate seat -- with whom was Blagojevich speaking? Did that person report the governor to the authorities?


Do follow the link and read the whole article - it's another bombshell of info


WOW,

You know there are just so many times you can say I didn't know, and suddenly people wise up.



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 04:05 PM by precociousmonkey


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Thank you for enlightening, I had no Idea what happened with the BOA issue I just learned about this, this morning (Texas) I usually get my news from morning talk radio and what I can dig up on the internet.



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 04:07 PM by redhatty


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But my BIG question is WHY??? WHY wait until AFTER the election to look deeply into this man's (and his wife's) past. How much more effective the MSM would have, could have been to look into this BEFORE the Election!

At least people who were SCREAMING OUT about Obama's "alleged" involvement in/connections to Illinois corruption are being justified, even though they were scorned just a few weeks ago.



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 04:08 PM by precociousmonkey


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well we might find out what that number is, but I dont think it will be this year. truth of the matter is there are to many peole who love the idea of the first black president and dont understand competancy has to go along with the job as well.



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 04:10 PM by precociousmonkey


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people looked they just chose to look the other way once they found out.



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 04:48 PM by Stormdancer777


Sorry I feel a little melancholy,

Rev Wright Damned her,

We the people deserve better.

whether black or white, rich or poor, democrat or republican, God Bless us once more, we are in a mess.

www.youtube.com...



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 05:26 PM by poet1b


The only evidence I have seen that the gov is acutally guilty are quotes from supposedly private conversations, that shouldn't have been broadcast to the public, which could mean a great many things, being touted as proof of crime, which it is not.

The numbers of people eager to rush to judgement is another sad commentary on the public. GW was known to be far dirtier before being elected, but you same people voted for him even so. Talk about hypocrits.

The dog barks, and all you sheople fall into line, and off to be sheared once again.



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 05:31 PM by redhatty


Originally posted by poet1b

The only evidence I have seen that the gov is acutally guilty are quotes from supposedly private conversations, that shouldn't have been broadcast to the public, which could mean a great many things, being touted as proof of crime, which it is not.




They are quotes from Federal Wiretaps that were legally installed during the investigation of Blago. Come on, now, they come from the criminal indictment



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 05:34 PM by MissysWorld


You all may or may not have noticed that past news articles are mysteriously vanishing off the net.. Many of us are having to go to Blogs to get information that was ONCE in online news papers... Here is a VERY interesting one..read all the way down..

Obama bribes Blagojevich to appoint his pick for Senate seat in Illinois


storyreportscomments.blogspot.com...



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 06:48 PM by Gregarious


Originally posted by kosmicjack
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Originally posted by Freenrgy2
As an Illinoian, this is a great day.

The guy is a corrupt as they come. He's one of the worst governor's we've ever had and I'm glad Fitzgerald is sticking it to him. Can't wait for him to be removed from office.


YUp, ha, I am speechless, wait till Blago starts talking, see ya Obama, I wonder how his twitch is today?




If they had anything on Obama, I'm quite sure they would have used it.

But you're probably right, they will put the sqeeze on the Governor to roll on anyone and everyone, if he doesn't volunteer to do it first. They'll even make stuff up about innocent people and get you to testify to it if it serves their purposes.

But Obama is more useful to him as President than in jail with him.




I think this is what you are saying but can not tell. Why would they put the squeeze on Obama now, when he could be so much more useful in their hands as a POTUS? There is a saying, 'A man is known by the friends he makes, and the enemies he keeps'. Obama is 'friends' with a lot of extremely bad people, that is not contested. But wouldnya know it? He is OK. Yeah, right. Don't worry, he will do the corruption he is accustomed to do, thinking he will never get caught. Like most big corrupt hotshots. And then his world will come crashing down. That is the way it works.
For all you athiests, you can agree that we have recently seen a huge increase in natural disasters, and simultaneously massive corruption? And for Christians, does it not appear that we have had the 'restraining influence of the Holy Spirit lifted'?
I had never read anything about Jesse Jackson Jr., and was horrified to find that he had reproduced! You mean theres' more of them?!



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reply posted on 10-12-2008 @ 06:59 PM by Gregarious


Oh, I forgot to add; people don't understand what it is you are talking about with the banksters crimes. You are just generalizing. The Bank of Italy, now called the Bof A in the US, is not worse, that I am aware of, than any other banksters. Sure, they pull their arrogant little shinanigans, but they ALL are loaning out money that they do NOT have. Every dime you put into your account goes in the vault, and they try to loan out 9x what they have in the vault. They even gave their counterfeiting a name, Marginal Banking, to make it sound legit. Using this scam, they have stolen thousand of Billions of dollars from the public. From you and I. But they donate huge amounts of their criminal profits to PACs of both parties, so that whoever wins, they won't bite the hand that feeds them. And wouldn't ya know it? None of the politician/liars are even talking about this ongoing scam. Huh. Personally, I think the gov got off light. He could have committed 'involuntary suicide' like Vince Foster.



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