Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by endless_observer
Howdy EO
I have to say that is one wild claim, LOL
Sorry as the astute coredrill notes, the implausibility of your statements are immense and the evidence against you so formidable we'll need a heavy
duty apomecometer to measure the distance from reality on that one.
Thank you for at least being polite in your reply, even if you are trying to make a joke of my post.
The fact is, regardless of what "experts" have to say on the matter, I can only relay the information that I read when I had the copy of the
earliest (english) publication in my hands. I cannot quote a website to back up my claims. The best I can do is try to relocate the book and scan
the pages with the history of the manuscript, though I don't know if I can post that here as it may be a violation of someone's copyright. (I
understand that there's been talk of it being an orphaned copyright, but I don't know if ATS will allow it.) Nevertheless, I will at least try to
get my hands back on that copy and quote what it says word for word.
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reply to post by endless_observer
Howdy EO
I believe you may have been deceived by one or more fringe writers or sites. I haven't seen that particular claim before-but it does make sense that
this document would be important to try and post date. At present as a 'channeled' document from the early 20th century it has little value. If its
date could be pushed back it would gain the "golden age" patina that old documents get.
I'll just repost the main point from the Wiki document on it
Subbaraya Shastry was a mystic from Anekal, who was reputed to speak out verses (slokas) whenever he got inspiration, described by Josyer as "a
walking lexicon gifted with occult perception". According to Josyer, he dictated the text to G. Venkatachala Sharma in the early 1900s (completing it
in 1923).
Subbaraya Shastry died in 1941, and Venkatachala took his manuscripts into keeping. The Vaimanika Shastra manuscript appeared at Rajakiya Sanskrit
Library, Baroda by 1944 The text was published in Hindi in 1959 and later in English by G.R. Josyer, titled Vymanika Shastra. Josyer's edition, also
added illustrations drawn by T. K. Ellappa, a draughtsman at a local engineering college in Bangalore, under the direction of Shastry, which had been
missed in the 1959 edition.
Its existence was first announced publicly in a 1952 press release by G.R. Josyer, who had founded his "International Academy of Sanskrit Research"
in Mysore the year before. In the foreword to the 1973 publication that contained the full Sanskrit text with English translation, Josyer quotes a
1952 press release of his which was "published in all the leading dailies of India, and was taken up by Reuter and other World Press News
Services":
Mr. G. R. Josyer, Director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Research in Mysore, in the course of an interview recently, showed some very
ancient manuscripts which the Academy had collected. He claimed that the manuscripts were several thousands of years old, compiled by ancient rishis,
Bharadwaja, Narada and others, dealing, not with the mysticism of ancient Hindu philosophy of Atman or Brahman, but with more mundane things vital for
the existence of man and progress of nations both in times of peace and war. [...] One manuscript dealt with Aeronautics, construction of various
types of aircraft for civil aviation and for warfare. [...] Mr. Josyer showed some types of designs and drawing of a helicopter-type cargo-loading
plane, specially meant for carrying combustibles and ammunition, passenger aircraft carrying 400 to 500 persons, double and treble-decked aircraft.
Each of these types had been fully described.
Josyer then tells how he was visited by "Miss Jean Lyon, journalist of Toronto and New York" for an interview, and how Lyon in her Just Half a World
Away (1954) concluded that he was "guilty of a rabid nationalism, seeking to wipe out everything since the Vedas".
A critical review pronounced Josyer's introduction to be "least scholarly by any standards." and said that "the people connected with publication
– directly or indirectly – are solely to blame either for distorting or hiding the history of the manuscripts." perhaps in an attempt to
"eulogise and glorify whatever they can find about our past, even without valid evidence." By tracing the provenance of the manuscript, interviewing
associates of S. Shastry (including G. V. Sharma to whom the text was originally dictated), and based on the linguistic analysis of the text, the
review concluded that it came into existence sometime between 1900 and 1922.
Good luck in your search
[edit on 25/1/09 by Hanslune]
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reply to post by endless_observer
Sorry, I am person who calls a spade ..a spade.
If that amounts to Jerk-iness, sorry, i am quite happy to live with that.
If it has offended you, i am sorry.
Coming to the point,
Cross verify your sources before coming to a conclusion.
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Originally posted by endless_observer
1. I never stated that I had read the original manuscript. I stated that I had read a copy of the original publication, and that publication stated
that the original manuscript had been found in the area of mohenjo-dara.
No, but you did make the claim that statements made by the only publisher of record for the V.S. were "flatly false."
You should pardon others who have read these claims. They likely have not laid eyes on the manuscript you claim to have seen.
Given the fact that even the "true believers" acknowledge the V.S. as a channelled work, you should also pardon others for deciding to evaluate your
claim as other than trustworthy.
You have now (somewhat) backed down from your previous brash statement. You should understand that your claim now consists of "I read somewhere
that..."
For example:
Originally posted by endless_observer3. I'm only relaying the information that I did, in fact, read. You needn't be such an absolute
jerk when replying to a post on a web forum.
And you have chosen to let your posts degenerate into name calling.
Not exactly convincing, right?
Harte
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Once i was discussing V.S in another forum, being of the belief that it was indeed an ancient manuscript. I had a argument with Harte (he is also
there) and that made me look up V.S in detail and found that it was a channelized "Masterpiece" and i read the study of the book by scientists at
Indian Institute of Science and ..yes..i had to go back on what i was arguing.
That was a turning point in my belief system -
Now i dont accept anything without evidence/proof and understand wholly that you cant prove a negative and that Occam's Razor is a wonderful tool.
[edit on 27/1/09 by coredrill]
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