Originally posted by spacevisitor
Originally posted by Harte
Wendell Stevens is one of Meier's mouthpieces.
You are twisting the facts.
US Air Force Lt. Col., USAF (Ret) Wendelle Stevens is an investigator and sorely not a mouthpiece of Meier as you call it.
And he studied the case very thoroughly.
Having spent 8 years on this case, 7 trips to Switzerland and 81 days on site, interviewing 29 eyewitnesses, 5 photographers, 4 recorders of the spacecraft sounds, and dozens of observers, I feel that I am as qualified as anybody in these United States to draw some conclusions from what I have learned.
Somebody not of this Earth is indeed visiting Switzerland, and those extraterrestrials were contacting Eduard "Billy" Meier living in Hinterscbmidruti.
Believe me, I know Stevens' story well.
Stevens is the one that claimed that meier's "prophecies" See article HERE (aka the Henoch prophecies) and reiterated and embellished HERE by Michael Horn were true and were given over to him by Meier before any of the prophecied stuff occurred.
However, Ike42's investigation of these "prophecies" - see article HERE showed all three men men were lying.
My understanding is that Stevens and Meier had a falling out at some later date. I believe (but I may be misremembering the story) that it had to do with another person that also claimed to have been contacted by the same group of (nonexistant) aliens that Meier claimed.
Ain't that always the way it is, one guy wants to hog the aliens (translation - cash cow) all to himself?
Originally posted by spacevisitor
Originally posted by Harte
Not that I dispute them, necessarily. But I myself wouldn't rely on a proven liar such as Billy Meier or his sidekicks to provide my evidence for me.
Billy Meier is not a proven liar, but much of his work is sorely falsified to make it look faked and him a liar.
I assume you aren’t interested in reading a brief written to Wendell Stevens in February 1989 by a security agent then whose name is not published in the book for obvious reasons of course about how and what measures where used to make Billy Meier look a liar.
Just as they done and still do with anyone who comes forward with so called interesting Ufo information.
Nobody had to go to any "measures" to show Meier was a fraud. He took care of that himself with his outrageously hokey pics of so-called "beamships" that he created out of trash can lids and various and sundry other things.
There's almost an entire section here at ATS on Meier, with J Ritzmann - the guy that exposed most of Meier's fraudulent photos- and Michael Horn both weighing in.
Horn eventually threw a fit and ran away.
Originally posted by spacevisitor
I never can and even will claim here that all the things Meier said are 100% true, but who of which case is?
Look for instance to your own matter of interest, Egyptology, can you claim here that all what is said or written in books by the Egyptologists about the Egyptians is 100% true?
That all what Hawass and Co and those before them are telling and claiming is true?
Of course not. But Hawass is not claiming to have actually witnessed anything that happened in 2600 BC.
Remember, Meier says this all happened to him He's not making any educated guesses, the way archaeology is required to.
Your analogy is hardly an analogy at all.
Meier is a liar and a fraud. Hawass can't be either, as far as his archaeological pronouncements go. He can only be wrong or right.
Originally posted by spacevisitor
Originally posted by Harte
There must be a hundred Billy Meier threads here at ATS. Check them out. Meier made the entire thing up. No question about it.
Not for me.
You should look into some of what's been posted over the last five (or more) years here at ATS on the subject. We're not all just a bunch of dweebs, each trying to out-argue the other. Major players in the controversy have been here and had their say.
But for your perusal, let me give you this link to a UFO website that trashes Meier because of what he is.
UFOWatchdog hall of shame 3
Assuming you would assume that I would simply send you to a skeptical site pretending to be a UFO site, check out this page at the same site:
UFOWatchdog hall of fame page 1
Originally posted by spacevisitor
Originally posted by Harte
Are you not aware that you can quote from and link to any page of the Mahabharata you want through Sacred-Texts.com?
Believe it or not but even my housecat is aware of that.
Perhaps you should ask your cat for the book and verse for some of the quotes in question then.
Originally posted by spacevisitor
Originally posted by Harte
There are also many websites that give the same info Mr. Stevens did that actually include the book and verse of the quoted Mahabharata verse in question.
Really, you must be joking, right?
No. But I will admit it's a lot of work to find them.
Also, even when the book and verse is given, checking at Sacred-Texts can sometimes come up empty handed if the reference is to a different version.
The Mahabharata has several versions, only one in English and in the public domain. So if you get book and verse from one scholar or author, he may be using the "southern Mahabharata" whereas I believe the one at Sacred Texts is the "northern" version.
Same book but the verse numbers and chapter numbers might differ in lots of particulars.
Anyway, there are several threads here that point out various phrases from the Mahabharata regarding the wars of the Gods and they (several of them) give book, chapter and verse or link to the page quoted in the thread.
Point is, you don't have to wander far from here to get this info. And you don't have to quote a person that sold his credibility to Billy Meier.
Hell, even Childress is better than that, though he still "quotes" a passage from the Mahabharata that doesn't actually exist!
Anyway, this is far enough off topic now, wouldn't you say?
Harte
