Barack Obama: Gun owners do not need to stock up, page 3

It seems the whole Obama lot can't keep their stories straight either
I posted this yesterday.

ATS thread

I think ammo will become so scarce and expensive it won't matter if you own a gun or not. It won't work without bullets. I don't have a gun yet but have been buying 22 type bullets on and off for awhile now.
I was going to post a link but there are so many good ones on this subject I am just posting 'em all:

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Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Alright, it seems that the ammo thing may be completely untrue.
I had heard that from someone at work who had heard it at a gun shop. Sounds like someone talking out their arse. I searched for any link to it on the net and couldn't find anything. But, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Not exactly. Though Obama has kept his mouth shut about it now in 1999 he proposed a gun bill that included:

Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition

Here's a copy of the article.

reply to post by Jay-in-AR

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If it's time to bury your guns, it's time to use them. Period.


A few things I saw in this thread I'd like to clarify as the president of a corporation that holds an 01 FFL (Dealer in firearms other than destructive devices)

1. You do *not* need to take a special class to own a fully automatic weapon. You find one, fill out an application, send in a $200 ransom (oops, I meant fee) to the ATF and 3-6 months later, you get permission to own said firearm. You must keep that tax stamp on file for as long as you own the registered Class 3 item (Fully Auto, Suppressor, Short Barreled Shotgun/Rifle, etc.) If you move, I believe you have to acquire an amended tax stamp. Move to an area where it isn't allowed? You *must* sell it or relinquish it to the ATF for destruction.

2. I, too, have heard about the 500% excise tax on ammunition. WE MUST FIGHT THIS ISSUE TOOTH AND NAIL. I know people who own businesses that see in excess of a million rounds per year fired. This will put them out of business. The goverment has NO BUSINESS legislating a man's source of income away. Period.

3. The 1994 AWB sunsetting was a poke in the eye of the democrats. I think that this time they will not be so generous to include a sunset clause OR a grandfather clause. They have a very large majority in both houses as well as the presidency. If they decide they want to make all "assault weapons" illegal, I believe they can and will get it passed. They might be willing to torpedo their chances for reelection in 2010 to make all the eeeevil guns go away forever. May not be likely, but it's *definitely* plausible.

4. "Assault Weapons," or, Homeland Defense Rifles, as I call them, are nearly as rare as Jimmy Hoffa right now. I have accounts with some of the largest distributors/importers in the United States. I literally can't *find* an AR-15 to save my life, and AKs are grossly inflated in price, *if* I can find them at all. Hell, I just sold an AK parts kit (AK that's been cut in half through the receiver, used to repair a registered fully auto AK or build a non-transferrable semi-auto) for $230. Less than a year ago they were abundantly available for a little over $100.

5. Ammo. Also becoming harder to come by. I've seen prices skyrocket since 5 November, and despite some blatant price gouging, people are snatching up ammo nearly as fast as they can. Copes Distributing sold 16.000 rusty steel 30 rd AK magazines @ $5.50 per mag in about a week. The ones that were found to not function due to stuck followers...they sold for $4.50. These are NON-FUNCTIONING MAGAZINES and people are still clamoring for 'em like crackheads looking for a fix!

Obama can say what he wants to in order to try to placate the drooling masses. He's loaded his cabinet (his Veep especially) with all the anti-gunners he can find.

I'll keep buying as much as my meager finances allow. I don't trust him as far as I can throw him and my back hurts today.




[edit on 15-12-2008 by netwarrior]

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The PREAMBLE to the Bill Of Rights, That is the FIRST TEN AMENDMENTS to the Constitution.

The First 10 Amendments to the
Constitution as Ratified by the States
December 15, 1791
Preamble
Congress OF THE United States
begun and held at the City of New York, on Wednesday
the Fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.:

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.



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The Right to SELF DEFENSE, which is a right that all animals have naturally, naturally endowed and inborn by their Creator, is not conferred to men by other mortal men. It is an inalienable right, just like speech, religion, etc...
The Bil of Rights is to list and enumerate several certain inalienable rights.

Infringement on the Second Amendment means, magazine capacity limits, Assault weapons bans, licensing fees, classes, registration fees, 600% tax on ammunition, permits (permission) and so on and so on..... It is not infringing on the primary issue of a arm, but upon the secondary issues like ammo, type of weapon, when you can carry it, when you can hunt with it, and so on and so on...

[img]http://www.billofrights.org...[/img]

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yes i know the bill of rights and what i was questioning was amendment x- states rights and the people to make those rights- why the civil war was fought. i believe the feds to tell the states and sheeple what they can and can't do is entirely AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION AND ILLEGAL

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