reply to post by sciencenewby
"what is exactly wrong with our government?"
The processes of enroachment upon rights that were meant to never be violated.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Yet there are restrictions in the peoples right to assemble and speak freely, and protest, called free speech zones. A restricted area fenced off and
away from those the assemblies are meant to be heard by.
Not to mention this isn't free, people who wish to protest now must pay a fee in order to do so. Not to mention when people do assemble, they have to
worry about tasers, rubber bullets and tear gas, and now microwave energy waves which heats their skin to 130 degree.
The Bill of Rights was created so people could speak out, assemble and confront their government with out fear. Yet this is not true today. The
documents the Founding Fathers wrote says the people have rights and freedoms to do the above, freely and with out the government hindering them.
It doesn't say they can do so while, dodging tear gas, rubber bullets or worrying about arrest after paying for a license to assemble.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.
The same can be said about listening to peoples phone calls or reading their emails. The technology didn't exist then, but the idea that "the right
of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches...shall not be violated"
How is it that an entire nation of people could be suspect?
The government was wrong during Water Gate for illegal listening devices, and it is today. A warrant is required for each person and specific reasons
for the issue of a warrant. Their is no mass warrant, and their is no right for the government to violate people private lives, as shown in Amendment
If some one is suspected of doing wrong, the proof is needed with the presentation of the warrant. Can any one explain to me how an entire nation of
Americans are suspects, or why?
Then there is the closed door hearings, and votes on subjects which are concealed from the people.
Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or
previous condition of servitude--
Passed by Congress June 4, 1919. Ratified August 18, 1920.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
Where was the people vote? The above doesn't specifically say the vote for president, it means to vote in general. The people never got a vote or say
in the patriot act, or any of the other actions that would affect them.
In fact, the right of the people to vote, where is states ina presidential manner is here:
Passed by Congress August 27, 1962. Ratified January 23, 1964.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or
Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure
to pay poll tax or other tax.
I'm not saying the freedoms of America are not more. What is obvious though is that those freedoms are being slowly modified and removed from the
Freedom in America is not about being able to have your fast food, starbucks or video games. It is about maintaining the original liberties unhindered
and with out abridgment or change. They can't take away the confidence of the people by forcing upon us by their corrupt lobbying and corporate
Perhaps it is a degrading civic education which has caused the majority of people to accept, and not question what the government has done.
Perhaps it is a loss of interest in how it was meant for the ordinary citizen to run things by gathering and deliberating, then deciding what the
elect should do as our representatives.
Perhaps it is true, "that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which
they are accustomed."
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We
seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget
that ye were our countrymen."
-- Samuel Adams
[edit on 10-12-2008 by ADVISOR]